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Wayback Machine down for several days now
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Java Jive
2024-10-12 12:21:06 UTC
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As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last,
possibly the night before that, but I can't remember for sure now. All
these links from a previous thread have not worked ever since:

https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english_202301
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english-x-64_20211019
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive

"Temporarily Offline

Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.

Please check our official accounts, including Twitter/X, Bluesky or
Mastodon for the latest information.

We apologize for the inconvenience."

I couldn't use my Shitter account last time I tried, and don't have
accounts for either of the other two. Does anyone have any further
information?

I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
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VanguardLH
2024-10-12 13:07:33 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last,
possibly the night before that, but I can't remember for sure now. All
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english_202301
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english-x-64_20211019
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive
"Temporarily Offline
Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
Please check our official accounts, including Twitter/X, Bluesky or
Mastodon for the latest information.
We apologize for the inconvenience."
I couldn't use my Shitter account last time I tried, and don't have
accounts for either of the other two. Does anyone have any further
information?
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
I don't need a Twitter account to read their messages there. They don't
explain just what "strengthen" means. This is not the first time
they've been down.
R.Wieser
2024-10-12 14:27:06 UTC
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Java Jive,
As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last, possibly
the night before that,
That might have to do with the below:

https://slashdot.org/story/24/10/10/2012200/hacktivists-claim-responsibility-for-taking-down-the-internet-archive

Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Paul
2024-10-12 17:34:02 UTC
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Post by R.Wieser
Java Jive,
As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last, possibly
the night before that,
https://slashdot.org/story/24/10/10/2012200/hacktivists-claim-responsibility-for-taking-down-the-internet-archive
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
2024-10-11 The Wayback Machine was taken offline for examination and
system security upgrades (expected to be for just a few days).[24]

Seems a casual, laid-back individual. The site is probably backed up on DVD.

Paul
Newyana2
2024-10-12 17:15:20 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
David E. Ross
2024-10-12 18:33:07 UTC
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Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
Java Jive
2024-10-12 20:33:45 UTC
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Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
Depends when you start the clock.
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Newyana2
2024-10-12 20:53:37 UTC
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Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
Sorry. I have no sympathy for Zionists. Jews and Zionists are not
the same thing.

Israel was given land by
Britain that wasn't theirs to give and wasn't the Jews' to take.
Claiming that God gave it to you is not an excuse. Nor is claiming
that the Jews were owed it for WW2. The Palestinians had nothing
to do with that. The Palestinians have been gradually being killed off
and kicked out for decades. What about the killing and stealing of
land currently happening in the West Bank? This is purely racist genocide.

It's way out of control and has been for many years. Hamas's act
was not a "first shot". It was a desperate measure. You should know
better than to blame them as instigators. Frankly I'm embarassed
to be an American -- having my tax dollars fund a genocide because
politicians are afraid to alienate the Zionist lobby. I think it's safe
to say that even most Jews don't condone what the extremists are
doing. Yet we keep giving them the weapons, funding a genocide to
prevent the possibility of a 2-state solution. What's even more crazy
is that people believe that's going to work. Do you really believe that
this brazen destruction is going to restore order? Israel is now fighting
at least 4 countries.
Binali Yildirim
2024-10-13 00:50:12 UTC
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Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
Just remember that Israel has already killed 42,000 innocent
Palestinians and destroyed their land. It will take them 75 years to
rebuild what American proxy called Israel have bombed.

Israel is on a mission to destroy all Arab countries in that region.
They did it with Iraq, then Libya then Syria then Gaza/Rafah and now
they are doing the same with Lebanon.

Iran is next on their list and with American blessings they will do it
until Russia and China enters the war with a big bang. USA will then
start telling Israel that enough is enough.

Have you noticed that USA didn't bomb Syria because Russians were there.

By the way, Iran has nothing to lose. They will use their half finished
nuclear bomb because they know that they can't face USA. UK and Israel
at the same time so they might as well use the bomb to see what happens
to Israel. It might not kill 1000s but the land would be inhabitable for
decades to come. Other Arab countries would be safe from Israeli terrorists.

On German sites they are writing that Adolf Hitler didn't do a good job
for the final solution and they are right here it seems.
Java Jive
2024-10-13 08:06:45 UTC
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Post by Binali Yildirim
Just remember that Israel has already killed 42,000 innocent
Palestinians and destroyed their land. It will take them 75 years to
rebuild what American proxy called Israel have bombed.
Israel is on a mission to destroy all Arab countries in that region.
They did it with Iraq, then Libya then Syria then Gaza/Rafah and now
they are doing the same with Lebanon.
Iran is next on their list and with American blessings they will do it
until Russia and China enters the war with a big bang. USA will then
start telling Israel that enough is enough.
Have you noticed that USA didn't bomb Syria because Russians were there.
By the way, Iran has nothing to lose. They will use their half finished
nuclear bomb because they know that they can't face USA. UK and Israel
at the same time so they might as well use the bomb to see what happens
to Israel. It might not kill 1000s but the land would be inhabitable for
decades to come. Other Arab countries would be safe from Israeli terrorists.
On German sites they are writing that Adolf Hitler didn't do a good job
for the final solution and they are right here it seems.
Absurd garbling of history and social media misinformation. Read a
proper history book, not fake news on social media.
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s|b
2024-10-14 14:14:52 UTC
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Post by Binali Yildirim
On German sites they are writing that Adolf Hitler didn't do a good job
for the final solution and they are right here it seems.
Godwin's Law, right here...
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s|b
micky
2024-10-17 18:35:47 UTC
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 13 Oct 2024 00:50:12 +0000, Binali
Post by Binali Yildirim
Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
You have been led to misunderstand the meaning of "genocide". Like
fratricide is killing one's brother, genocide is killing a whole ethnic
group or nationality or race of people. The murders of Jews in WWII
were *attempted* genocide because the nazis did the same thing in
countries they occupied and intended to do the same thing in the whole
world wherever their conquest was successful. The murder of Armenians
was afaik also attempted genocide and the attacks on North and South
American Indian tribes may have been for some people, or, regardless of
intention, may have almost had that result. I don't think intention is
necessary for everyone, as long as it is for some, even if others are
stupid but murderous pawns. Any fully successful genocides might be
known by scholars but are unknown by me because no one is around to tell
us.

The proper meaning of the word was understood in the 1940's,50's and
60's but since then people who don't understand have weakened the word
and used it to mean killing even small numbers of people *because* they
belong to some ethnic group or nationality or race.

Israel has not done that either, not at all. They have never killed and
are not killing anyone becauase they are Arabs or Muslims or even
Gazans. They are killing people because Israel was attacked, civilians
barbarically murdered in ways too disgusting to describe here, and
hostages were taken. If Hamas would return the hostages without
killing them first (as they have done in several cases) and either
surrender or at least announce plans to no longer attack, Israel would
have stopped its assault on Hamas many months ago.

Did you expect the United States to stop attacking Germany or Japan
before it surrendered? Did you notice that the US did not do that? Do
you not know aabout the 10's of thousands of German and Japanese
civilians killed by US counterattacks, even not counting the A-bobms? Or
do you*** or others have a double standard on Israel versus the US and
other countries? Note that Italy did surrender and it wasn't damaged
very much when the US attacked it.

***Maybe I'm being too hard on you because of the misuse of that one
word. If so, I apologize. But what I've written definitely applies to
others who do have a double standard.
Post by Binali Yildirim
Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
I appreciate that.
Post by Binali Yildirim
Post by David E. Ross
Post by Newyana2
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
Just remember that Israel has already killed 42,000 innocent
Palestinians and destroyed their land.
This isn't often mentioned but the Gazans are not all that innocent.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, 19 years ago. The people who call for
a "free Gaza" dont' seem to know it had been free for 19 years***

But within 2 years, the Gazans had elected a known terrorist
organization to rule them. That was iiac partly because Hamas had been
distributing food or money, but nonetheless they did it.

Soon after that Hamas started sending mortars, then fire-balloons and
finally rockets into Israel aimed at civilian targets (but even if they
had been aimed at military targets, it would have been just as bad since
Israel had *withdrawn*.) This went on for 18 years (had started in
small scale in 2001, but increased dramatically after Hamas was in
power).

What did YOU say when Hamas was shooting rockets at Israel? What did
YOU do? I'll bet it was nothing. You were happy about it, weren't
you? I read your other post and you have some crackpot ideas about
Jews. Did your parents teach you that? The people you grew up with?
The people you hang out with now?

In all the years that followed 2006, did any Gazans object to what Hamas
was doing from their land in their name? No. You might reasonably say
they were afraid to ojbect. Hamas is not very nice to other Arabs either
and yes, if someone ojbected in public, he might much regret it. But
thousands of Gazans for nost of the last 17 years until a year ago would
go to israel eech day for work It would have been easy to carry an
essay or letter to the editor out, one's own writing or for someone
else, which he could have sent anonymously to a newspaper or a mayor or
the Knesset, or the Israeli government or an NGO. Did anyone do that? I
never heard a single example.

And they talk about women and children as if all are innocent. A child
in American parlance is anyone under 18. Do you think there are no 17-
all the way down to 13-year or even developed 12-year olds moving
rockets to be launched, or women bringing food and drink, and
encouragement, to those attacking Israel?

And of course Hamas commits war crimes by storing its rockets and other
weapons in or under mosques, hospitals, and schools. It does this on
purpose so it can either avoid their destruction, or whine when they are
attacked. Do you think the managers of the mosques, hospitals, schools
don't know what is stored in their basements? Don't notice when the
rockets are brought out and later that day they hear them luanched? Do
any of *them* smuggle out letters of complaint or reports to the LOL UN?
Probably half of them favor the goals and methods of Hamas. So your
use of "innocent" is over-broad.

***(Even under Israeli rule it was freer than Moslems in Afhghanistan,
etc.)
Post by Binali Yildirim
It will take them 75 years to
rebuild what American proxy called Israel have bombed.
Israel is on a mission to destroy all Arab countries in that region.
Total baloney. One of your antisemitic fantasies. based partly on your
enormous lack of knowledge of the history of Arabs and Jews in the last
140 years. Jews have had a substantial presence in Israel for the last
3300 years, including the last 2000. They have been a majority of the
population of Jeruslem since the mid-1800's. When Jewish immigration to
Israel started growing again around 1890, like recent Mexican and
Central American immigration to the United States, except that Jews they
were returning to their homeland after being largely evicted by the
Romans) the Jews tried as hard as they could to get along with the Arabs
there and for the most part succeeded. Tbey bought the worst land,
sometimes malaria swamps they had to drain, sometimes arid land.
Sometimes they dressed like local Arabs, but some of the Arabs were
unhappy and made trouble. They had to put fences around the kibbutzim,
etc.

Not enought time to write a 300 page history but skipping ahead to 1967,
after the third war when in each case Arab countries attacked Israel,
Israel controlled the West Bank and Gaza. Are you aware of what the
Arabs did next? If they had made peace, it's pretty much agreed by
those who know that they would have gotten back control of the West Bank
and Gaza. But instead they met in Khartoum. The war was in erarly June
1967 and they met at the end of August as the fourth Arab League Summit,
and they passed the Khartoum Resolution known as "The Three No's"; No
peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with
Israel. So this was their plan, by Arabs, to continue to the war. And so
that's what they got. And the ones that Israel is still fighting with
continue with that goal. no peace, no recognition, no negotiation.

Despite that, on the ground, things were going well. Arabs from the
West Bank went shopping and sight-seeing in the rest of Israel and
Israelis went shopping and sight-seeing there, and this lasted for not
sure how long but over a year. Then again trouble makers, similar to
Christian Nationslists in the USA although far more vioent, caused
trouble,

But even now Israel *and Israelis* want good relations with Arabs
throughout the world. Thousand of Israelis vacation peacefully in
Jordan. I've been there myself twice, Amman and Aqaba. They know I'm a
Jew who came from israel and they are all polite and as happy as people
are with strangers. Similarly there is a lot of tourism to and from
Egypt. I've been there mnyself once, although only to Taba and only for
a few hours. Again everyone was nice (except I shouldn't have taken a
photo of the border station. That upset the guard a lot, and I think he
was angry at me. I understand that guards in many countries are
sensitive about that, but I wasn't thinking and I didn't understand it
as well as I do now when I took the picture. He took my camera and went
through it for 4 or 5 minutes. I though he was deleting lots of photos
I'd taken in Taba, but when I looked it was only the one of the border
station.) My father visited Alexandria and Cairo in 1936, and I still
want to see the pyramids, but my schedule makes that difficult.

And since the Abraham Accords, tourism between Israel and Qatar has been
booming. Qatar is expensive so a lot of people can't go, even for a
couple days, but there are thousands or 10's of thousands every year,
Israelis and Qataris in both directions. An agreement with Saudi Arabis
was near and will be again after this fighting recedes into the
distance.

The story that there is "apartheid" in Israel is a total lie, spread
partly by his stupidness, Jimmy Carter, who claimed he didn't mean it,
he was just trying to stimulate discussion or some stupid excuse. Arabs
go everywhere in Israal and in 14 months there, I've never seen an
Israeli be anything but polite to them. I've seen them at the beach,
though the mother still had on her long robes and couldn't very well go
swimming. I've seen them at Hamat Gader, the hot springs of Gader,
where 3 milddle-age women were in the pool with all their clothes on,
because of their modesty. Any swimming pool in the USA would never let
anyone go in with his or her clothes on because you can't shower first
and because of all the dust and dirt on everyone's clothes, but no one
objected, because Israelis understand modesty even if most have
different standards and they understand that Arabs have different
customs.

I've seen Arabs on the "boardwalk" at Eilat, having a good time like
everyone else. I've seen them in shopping malls, and I particularly
noticed on one occasion a woman with her young rambunctious chilren.
Even in the US a mother might have been embarrassed by loud kids like
hers who were sort of loud and runningaround not close to her, but she
was not embarrassed, not cowed or afraid of mall security (which I've
actually never seen but there must be some somewhere) or looking bad in
front of the Jews, and the Jews too were not bothered by the almost
obnoxious kids, because Jew or Arab, Israelis love kids, Jewish or Arab.
I've been to Arab towns both in Israel, shoppong at a grocery and
another day, waiting in line to withdraw money from an ATM. Everyone is
pleasant to me and they anticipate that I'll be pleasant to them. And
once in a West Bank Arab town when I had to choose between two roads and
couldn't figure out which, and I stopped to look at my map. Three
drivers, in series, stopped to help me, and they all knew I was a Jew
because of the Israeli flag I was flying from above the side window.
Eventually one pointed to the flag suggesting I take it off (because he
knows there are trouble-makers) and he or maybe the other driver had me
follow him through town to the road out of town. They could not have
been nicer.

And on the bus and the light rail there are Arabs and everyone treats
each other the same, politely, Arab or Jew.
Post by Binali Yildirim
They did it with Iraq,
Iraq had nothing to do with Israel.
Post by Binali Yildirim
then Libya
Libya shot down iirc an American passenger plane, killing 240+ passenger
and 16 crew, mostly Americans, a lot of British and others from 19 other
countries.. Plus 10 people on the ground living in Scotland. US
retaliation had nothing to do with Israel. How can you not know that?
Unless you are just blindly listening to someone else. If Kaddafi
didn't want to be attacked, he shouldn't have done that. Maybe Israel
was part of his motivation. but we can't read his mind and it had
nothing to do with American repsonse.
Post by Binali Yildirim
then Syria
Syria was having a civil war. 99+% of the fighting had nothing to do
with Israel. That didnt' keep a few people from attacking Israel which
fought back. Now that I've read to the end, I realize you don't want
Israel to fight back.

But despite this, Israel opened its fence with Syria in the Golan
Heights and treated many Syrians, including sending seriously injured to
hospitals within Israel, "Other countries in the region have also
contributed various levels of aid. Iran has been exporting between 500
and 800 tonnes of flour daily to Syria.[322] Israel supplied aid through
Operation Good Neighbor, providing medical treatment to 750 Syrians in a
field hospital located in Golan Heights where rebels say that 250 of
their fighters were treated.[323] Israel established two medical centers
inside Syria. Israel also delivered heating fuel, diesel fuel, seven
electric generators, water pipes, educational materials, flour for
bakeries, baby food, diapers, shoes and clothing. Syrian refugees in
Lebanon make up one quarter of Lebanon's population, mostly consisting
of women and children.[324] In addition, Russia has said it created six
humanitarian aid centers within Syria to support 3000 refugees in
2016.[325]"
Post by Binali Yildirim
then Gaza/Rafah
So you didn't object and don't object to the 20,000+ rockets sent from
Gaza into Israel or all the people they killed. And you think Gaza and
Hamas should be allowed to keep doing it. Plus the rapes, unspeakable
mutilation, killing and kidnapping on Octber 6. Laarn the details and
you'll see that your Hamas friends are savages. Worse than savages. But
you still think they're okay. You're quite a guy.
Post by Binali Yildirim
and now
they are doing the same with Lebanon.
So you think it's okay that Hexbolllah launches rockets at Israeli
towns? Unprovoked. It appears by you killing Jews is okay and Israel
shouldn't try to stop it. And in the other post you said antisemitism
didn't exist. LOL.
Post by Binali Yildirim
Iran is next on their list and with American blessings they will do it
until Russia and China enters the war with a big bang. USA will then
start telling Israel that enough is enough.
Have you noticed that USA didn't bomb Syria because Russians were there.
By the way, Iran has nothing to lose. They will use their half finished
nuclear bomb because they know that they can't face USA. UK and Israel
at the same time so they might as well use the bomb to see what happens
to Israel. It might not kill 1000s but the land would be inhabitable for
decades to come. Other Arab countries would be safe from Israeli terrorists.
On German sites they are writing that Adolf Hitler didn't do a good job
for the final solution and they are right here it seems.
I'm not surprised. Your posts make it clear you are in favor of mass
murder.

Your hate is great enough there's no reason to think even you believe
the nonsense charges you've made.
sticks
2024-10-17 18:58:41 UTC
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On 10/17/2024 1:35 PM, micky wrote:

---snipped it all---

If yo feel better now, can you please stop responding to trolls in this
inappropriate place for such discussion?
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I Stand With Israel!
Newyana2
2024-10-17 20:25:01 UTC
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Post by micky
Israel has not done that either, not at all. They have never killed and
are not killing anyone becauase they are Arabs or Muslims or even
Gazans.
I understand the meaning, and yes they are trying to eliminate
Palestinians, while destroying the infrastructure so as to prevent
livability. Then there can be no question of a 2-state solution,
if there's no one left to populate the other state.
Post by micky
Your hate is great enough there's no reason to think even you believe
the nonsense charges you've made.
Where did I express hatred? This is always the defense of
Israeli aggression. No matter how bad it gets, they just scream
"antisemitism!" It's never their fault. Today I heard that Biden
has almost put his foot down, threatening to withhold arms
unless Israel allows humanitarian aid. He's only demanding that
Israel allow food and doctors in -- without killing them.

I'd suggest you listen to this if you're interested:


It provides a notably unbiased view of corruption and suffering
on both sides. Surprisingly, I think it was made in the late 90s,
yet it could have been made last month. It's a monologue play
by the playwright David Hare. Very moving and insightful. And
my Jewish girlfriend was so impressed that she wanted the link to
send to Jewish friends. I suspect there are more Jews who agree
with my assessment than not. Who supports Netanyahu? As
far as I know, it's only the far right Zionists. I don't know any
Jews who don't want him gone. But if you're listening to mainstream
American media then it's not surprising that you might have a
skewed view.
sticks
2024-10-17 20:34:59 UTC
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On 10/17/2024 3:25 PM, Newyana2 wrote:

---snip---

WTF? Can we please just get back to your MS bashing and leave world
politics out of these windows groups?
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I Stand With Israel!
Hank Rogers
2024-10-17 21:37:29 UTC
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Post by sticks
---snip---
WTF?  Can we please just get back to your MS bashing and leave world
politics out of these windows groups?
This land is my land. God gave it to me.
http://vimeo.com/50531435
Andy Burns
2024-10-21 14:42:01 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
This land is my land. God gave it to me.
Doesn't sound like the Woody Guthrie lyrics :-P
Post by Hank Rogers
http://vimeo.com/50531435
vimeo wants me to sign-up to watch
s|b
2024-10-21 13:00:15 UTC
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Post by sticks
WTF? Can we please just get back to your MS bashing and leave world
politics out of these windows groups?
Says the guy who's got a signature telling the world he supports a
country committing genocide and war crimes...

(I'd set the followup-to to alt.dev.null if only my newsserver would
allow it.)
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s|b
sticks
2024-10-21 14:43:10 UTC
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Post by s|b
Post by sticks
WTF? Can we please just get back to your MS bashing and leave world
politics out of these windows groups?
Says the guy who's got a signature
---another political rant snipped---

another idiot who doesn't know the difference between having a .sig file
and having discussions in a newsgroup. Feel free to ignore my sig file,
just as your newsreader does.
--
I Stand With Israel!
s|b
2024-10-21 17:15:22 UTC
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Post by sticks
---another political rant snipped---
Ah, you're familiar with censorship as well. Figures...
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s|b
sticks
2024-10-21 18:18:49 UTC
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Post by s|b
Post by sticks
---another political rant snipped---
Ah, you're familiar with censorship as well. Figures...
Censorship is another concept you fail to understand. Me choosing not
to participate in your political rants is not censorship. Anyone can
still go read your opinion if they desire. I simply choose not to
address it, especially in any of these windows groups.

Post about your views anywhere you want. I couldn't care less.
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I Stand With Israel!
Binali Yildirim
2024-10-21 21:30:52 UTC
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Post about your views anywhere you want.  I couldn't care less.
This is completely un-kosher ShyLock! Are you still demanding pound of
flesh from the Palestinians? I guess with your Jewish background you
want a complete body or 50,000 bodies. Anybody criticising you, yo can
always shout anti semitic and demented Joe Biden and pufta 2-tier-Kier
will come to your rescue. 2-tier-Kier's wife is also Jewish like you.
sticks
2024-10-21 21:56:41 UTC
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Post by Binali Yildirim
Post about your views anywhere you want.  I couldn't care less.
This is completely un-kosher ShyLock!
---snipped another political rant---

You must have made a mistake by following up to me instead of s/b. He's
the one who wishes to discuss this stuff. I've made it pretty clear I
don't.
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I Stand With Israel!
Daniel70
2024-10-13 10:50:59 UTC
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Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
This time .... maybe .... but, seems to me, 'WE' Western Nations took
some Arab land, back before WW1, I think, and the original owners just
want THEIR land back!!

OUR FAULT!!
--
Daniel
Newyana2
2024-10-13 14:24:02 UTC
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Post by David E. Ross
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
This time .... maybe .... but, seems to me, 'WE' Western Nations took
some Arab land, back before WW1, I think, and the original owners just
want THEIR land back!!
OUR FAULT!!
Indeed. Somehow we've conveniently forgotten that this is in large
part the price of imperialism. Instead it's been redefined as dark people
attacking God's children in the land that their God gave to them. It was
a flagrant act of racism that could never happen today.

https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/nov-29-1947-united-nations-partitions-palestine-allowing-for-creation-of-israel/

Another rather obscene omission here is recognition of the fact
that Palestinians are being routinely regarded as subhuman. As brutal
as the attack by Hamas was, they were actually attacking on behalf
of a starving people, and the people being attacked were revellers
at a rock concert on the other side of the fence. How do people live
with such inequality staring them in the face but through racism? How
do people hold something so frivolous as a rock concert, literally within
view of starving people?

Some years ago I saw a British monologuist on PBS. He was sort
of a Spalding Gray type -- part comedian, part intellectual. The man
described visiting a friend in Israel. He was driven through the desert,
through roadblocks, to an outpost housing development where his friend
lived. What he found was a gated community of rich Americans doing
a roots trip, a New York Times on every front stoop, with Israeli soldiers
stationed on the hill above them, to make sure no "terrorists" from
the other side of the hill could intrude. Those developments are still
being built today on stolen land in the West Bank, and few are talking
about it, save for the occasional exposé by Christianne Amanpour.
Zaidy036
2024-10-13 19:47:54 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by David E. Ross
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
This time .... maybe .... but, seems to me, 'WE' Western Nations took
some Arab land, back before WW1, I think, and the original owners just
want THEIR land back!!
OUR FAULT!!
  Indeed. Somehow we've conveniently forgotten that this is in large
part the price of imperialism. Instead it's been redefined as dark people
attacking God's children in the land that their God gave to them. It was
a flagrant act of racism that could never happen today.
https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/
nov-29-1947-united-nations-partitions-palestine-allowing-for-creation-
of-israel/
   Another rather obscene omission here is recognition of the fact
that Palestinians are being routinely regarded as subhuman. As brutal
as the attack by Hamas was, they were actually attacking on behalf
of a starving people, and the people being attacked were revellers
at a rock concert on the other side of the fence. How do people live
with such inequality staring them in the face but through racism? How
do people hold something so frivolous as a rock concert, literally within
view of starving people?
  Some years ago I saw a British monologuist on PBS. He was sort
of a Spalding Gray type -- part comedian, part intellectual. The man
described visiting a friend in Israel. He was driven through the desert,
through roadblocks, to an outpost housing development where his friend
lived. What he found was a gated community of rich Americans doing
a roots trip, a New York Times on every front stoop, with Israeli soldiers
stationed on the hill above them, to make sure no "terrorists" from
the other side of the hill could intrude. Those developments are still
being built today on stolen land in the West Bank, and few are talking
about it, save for the occasional exposé by Christianne Amanpour.
Why do people ignore the fact that Jews where in the land many centuries
before even Mohammad was born yet alone the founding of a Muslim religion.

Further, the British mandate included what is now Jordan which is also
Palestinian so they have received more than 80% of the total mandate
area without including the land from the river to the sea.

And can someone explain why even Anti-semitism exists throughout the
centuries and that Jews are always the ones at fault when there is no
stated Jewish wish to control the world like the Muslims have expressed
where all lands they have ever occupied it is their right to re-occupy?
Newyana2
2024-10-13 20:34:27 UTC
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Post by Zaidy036
Why do people ignore the fact that Jews where in the land many centuries
before even Mohammad was born yet alone the founding of a Muslim religion.
Jews were there, and so were Christians and Muslims. It's
not their land. And it certainly doesn't belong to New Yorkers
who decide to claim citizenship on ethnic grounds. To claim that
a Jew from New York has a right to kick native peoples off
their land is beyond absurd. Yet that's exactly what's happening.

Check out David Hare's Via Dolorosa. It's available in audio form
on youtube. Hare is a playright who was invited to Israel in 1999
and wrote a play about the experience. It's a kind of Spalding
Gray style monologue, which seems to me to provide a lot of
insight into the situation without taking sides.
Post by Zaidy036
Further, the British mandate included what is now Jordan which is also
Palestinian so they have received more than 80% of the total mandate
area without including the land from the river to the sea.
And can someone explain why even Anti-semitism exists throughout the
centuries and that Jews are always the ones at fault
As Daniel70 said, we're really at fault. 1st world racism and
imperialism, which led to Britan giving away land that wasn't
theirs to give, and the eventual creation of a theocracy, which
is in opposition to American ideals. Yet we're funding them. Without
my tax dollars there would be no Israel, either economically or
militarily.

The murders and stolen land in the West Bank currently going on?
Yes, those are the fault of Zionist zealots who see themselves as
being on a religious quest. Why would you defend that? There's plenty
of evidence from neutral parties, such as this 60 Minutes piece:



And that's an old video, from 2009. There have been recent reports
of intensifying aggression while the Gaza genocide goes on.
Zaidy036
2024-10-14 01:49:10 UTC
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Post by Zaidy036
Why do people ignore the fact that Jews where in the land many
centuries before even Mohammad was born yet alone the founding of a
Muslim religion.
   Jews were there, and so were Christians and Muslims.
Christianity and the Muslim religion were not in existence when the Jews
were initially in the land.

The USA also grants citizenship under its own rules so why is Israel any
different? One does not have to be Jewish to become an Israeli citizen.

It is more their land than the the US ownership of North America.

It's
not their land. And it certainly doesn't belong to New Yorkers
who decide to claim citizenship on ethnic grounds. To claim that
a Jew from New York has a right to kick native peoples off
their land is beyond absurd. Yet that's exactly what's happening.
  Check out David Hare's Via Dolorosa. It's available in audio form
on youtube. Hare is a playright who was invited to Israel in 1999
and wrote a play about the experience. It's a kind of Spalding
Gray style monologue, which seems to me to provide a lot of
insight into the situation without taking sides.
Post by Zaidy036
Further, the British mandate included what is now Jordan which is also
Palestinian so they have received more than 80% of the total mandate
area without including the land from the river to the sea.
And can someone explain why even Anti-semitism exists throughout the
centuries and that Jews are always the ones at fault
    As Daniel70 said, we're really at fault. 1st world racism and
imperialism, which led to Britan giving away land that wasn't
theirs to give, and the eventual creation of a theocracy, which
is in opposition to American ideals. Yet we're funding them. Without
my tax dollars there would be no Israel, either economically or
militarily.
   The murders and stolen land in the West Bank currently going on?
Yes, those are the fault of Zionist zealots who see themselves as
being on a religious quest. Why would you defend that? There's plenty
http://youtu.be/MX8Agdq_Kpk
  And that's an old video, from 2009. There have been recent reports
of intensifying aggression while the Gaza genocide goes on.
Binali Yildirim
2024-10-14 05:10:43 UTC
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Post by Zaidy036
And can someone explain why even Anti-semitism exists throughout the
centuries
No it doesn't exist. It is just a figment of imagination of Jews
throughout the centuries. As soon as you discuss Jews problems they
shout anti-semitism. This way they make sure that the person who is
discussing anything about Israel or Jews loses his job immediately.
Post by Zaidy036
and that Jews are always the ones at fault
That's because they are the problem in this world. Without the support
of USA and the UK they would just keep quiet and try to live in peace and
harmony with their Arab neighbours.

I just heard that demented Joe Biden has told Israel not to kill
innocent Arabs but gave some more weapons and soldiers with American
blessings. How daft can you get than this?

If anybody is serious about ending Israel terrorising innocent Arabs
then stop sending more weapons and American an British soldiers to that
region. Let us see if Israel can continue without any European support.
Java Jive
2024-10-14 13:15:15 UTC
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Post by Zaidy036
And can someone explain why even Anti-semitism exists throughout the
centuries
No it doesn't exist. It is just a figment of imagination of Jews
throughout the centuries. As soon as you discuss Jews problems they
shout anti-semitism. This way they make sure that the person who is
discussing anything about Israel or Jews loses his job immediately.
You appear to know zilch history, and to be spouting rubbish from social
media, much of which originates in Russian bot farms.

Anti-semitism has existed for centuries, and still exists today.

In my own family, although I was raised as a Protestant and am now a
devout atheist, many generations back in my father's descent there were
Russo-German Jews who over many generations had to leave various
countries of birth and move elsewhere for safety, finally settling in
Britain. More generally, there have been anti-Jewish pogroms throughout
Europe throughout the centuries, even the word 'pogrom' itself is
evidence of this ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

"A pogrom is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or
expelling an ethnic or religious group, particularly Jews. The term
entered the English language from Russian to describe 19th- and
20th-century attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire (mostly within the
Pale of Settlement)."

... and see particularly the section "History of anti-Jewish pogroms".

More recently, both Israelis and their Arab neighbours have been guilty
of the most appalling atrocities, and, while the most recent bout was
started by Hamas, it comes after years of Israeli settlement on Arab
lands, anti-Arab racism by Israelis - a flatmate went to Israel as a
summer holiday job from university in the 1970s, and cam back appalled
at how racist the Israelis were - Israeli neglect of Arab areas within
their borders, etc, even to the extend that some have no decent drinking
water, and obtaining it is a daily struggle.

However, more specifically wrt to the October 7th attack, Israel and a
fair number of their Arab neighbours were on the verge of signing peace
accords intended to stabilise the region, Hamas' attack seems to have
been designed specifically to prevent these deals being signed, and so
far has been successful in that aim. I wonder whose interests that best
serves? Certainly not those of the Palestinians they claim to
represent, and, given the outcome, not even those of Hamas itself;
certainly not those of Israel nor their immediate Arab neighbours, so
whose? It is generally accepted that Hamas is controlled by Iran, and
Iran has long been an Arab rogue outlier terrorist state which would
have plenty of reasons for trying to sabotage peace agreements which
would have left it even more isolated than it is already.

Further, Iran is allied to Russia, and Russia is not going to complain
about the world's attention being distracted while it commits war crimes
and genocide in Ukraine. For example, currently Russian drone operators
are using the city of Kherson as a training shooting gallery: innocent
civilians - old woman going to get their groceries, teenage kids
walking down the street, basically anyone the drone operators can find
- are targetted and killed. Ukrainian PoWs are being summarily
executed trying to surrender. None of these atrocities are being
reported in main stream media, why not?

You cannot hope to solve such long-lasting ethnic rivalries and tensions
by spouting tweets from social media, without any attempt to understand
their bloody convoluted history.
Post by Binali Yildirim
Post by Zaidy036
and that Jews are always the ones at fault
That's because they are the problem in this world.
No, the Arab-Israeli conflict is a complex and very difficult problem
with both right and really bad wrong on both sides. Such very real
problems cannot be solved and can only be exacerbated by useless idiots
parroting propaganda from social media.
--
Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
Daniel70
2024-10-14 05:17:01 UTC
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Post by Newyana2
Post by Daniel70
Post by David E. Ross
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first
shots.
This time .... maybe .... but, seems to me, 'WE' Western Nations
took some Arab land, back before WW1, I think, and the original
owners just want THEIR land back!!
OUR FAULT!!
Indeed. Somehow we've conveniently forgotten that this is in large
part the price of imperialism. Instead it's been redefined as dark
people attacking God's children in the land that their God gave to
them.
I've been wondering about this over the last few days!!

Wasn't 'EDEN', Adam and Eve's home-place, supposedly somewhere between
the twin rivers above Baghdad in Iraq??

Shouldn't THAT be the Homeland of God's People, The Jews.

Seems to me Moses might have gotten lost when he led his people out of
Egypt to 'The Promised Land'.

Oh, and the land above Baghdad is probably rich in Petroleum now so why
would 'we' want to give THAT land to the Jews?? Or have to fight the
Iraq peoples for it!!
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Daniel
Newyana2
2024-10-14 13:46:10 UTC
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Wasn't 'EDEN', Adam and Eve's home-place, supposedly somewhere between
the twin rivers above Baghdad in Iraq??
I don't know. But I don't consider that a valid argument either
way. The Torah/Old Testament is a set of tribal myths held by
a nomadic, warring tribe living thousands of years ago, which
don't apply to the modern world. The Jewish god is a tribal deity,
thousands of which exist in the world's religions. The Christian
God does not have a chosen people. That whole issue of god
vs God has been blurred, with a primitive tribal deity being
transposed to Christian God as primordial creative principle. And
it's not even a well hidden mix-up. Read the end of Genesis. Adam
and Eve had two sons. One murders the other. So humanity is
reduced to a single man. What's up with that? It goes on to
explain that Cain then married a woman from a neighboring tribe.
It's a TRIBAL genesis myth, just like many other such myths.

So what parcel of land do modern Jews have a right to claim...
a right to take away from others? None. Who has authority over
humanity to say which peoples have more right to exist or a greater
claim to own land? And how could a yuppie from NYC possibly
have a claim over a farm in the West Bank? The only justification
is that he's a 1st world citizen and the farm is owned by a 3rd
world citizen. Might makes right.

Historically, it's always been a simple case of might makes right.
In modern times many people are trying to go beyond that. But
the very act of granting the Jews ownership of someone else's
land was an act of might makes right. The victors of WW2 decided
who matters and who doesn't.

Ironically, I'm writing this on "Indigenous Peoples Day" in the US.
It used to be Columbus Day. We used to celebrate the successes
of our ancestors in finding new resources. Now we feel badly about
it because there were already people in North America when we
came. What is justice there? Do those people need to be
compensated? Which people are they? Do we calculate it based on
some percentage of native American genes? And then what's the
compensation? Surely, part ownership of a casino is not an enviable
prize.

There are a lot of good intentions there, but it's mostly a way
to try to feel that as humans we've transcended selfishness. We
want to be able to like ourselves and feel civilized. Yet
we're not going to give North America to tribal representatives.
And despite lots of talk about restitution for descendants of slaves,
no one's putting up the funds to pay them, either. Come to think of it,
my people are mostly from Britian and Ireland. Shouldn't the Saxons
owe me something for their invasion? Where do we draw that line?
I can trace my lineage back to the Mayflower. Does that mean that
American immigrants in later centuries owe me rent money? Come to
think of it, that includes the NYC yuppie now living on Arab land.

There's a special irony in the term "indigenous peoples". Indigenous
is a biology term, meant to affirm scientific proof that so-called native
Americans are the true owners of North America and the rest of us
are immigrants. But according to the latest scientific evidence, humans
are an invasive species in the Western Hemisphere. In fact, we're an
invasive species outside of Africa.

Which is a very interesting idea.
The whole notion of invasive species is yet another modern chauvinism,
by which we define a kind of "justice" -- defining our favorite wildflowers
as native owners of the land, while new species that push them out
are illegal immigrants. Where is the line defining "native" vs "immigrant"?
Isn't it still a case of might makes right? Every country in the world is
populated by people who defend their turf and decide who can enter,
based on whether they think that those new people (or even bugs and
wildflowers) will offer them some kind of profit. Many countries are happy
to welcome anyone who brings money and takes nothing, just as we
welcomed the watermelon from Africa but reject many other plant species.
Yet there are Jews who claim that Abraham bought Jerusalem and the
contract is still valid. Anyone living in Manhattan should perhaps be
a bit worried now, lest they get a letter from descendants of whoever
bought that island, from genuine indigenous owners, with a pile of beads. :)
Brian Gregory
2024-10-13 23:43:57 UTC
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Post by Newyana2
Post by Java Jive
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
See Rudy's link. It's pro-Palestinian hackers who figure that
anything connected to the US is evil and deserves to be attacked.
Given that Israel is committing genocide while the world keeps
calling Palestinians "terrorists", I guess it's hard to blame them.
Maybe archive.org was just easy pickings.
Just remember that Hamas and then Hezbollah fired the first shots.
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
Ralph Fox
2024-10-14 05:40:47 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last,
possibly the night before that, but I can't remember for sure now. All
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english_202301
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english-x-64_20211019
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive
"Temporarily Offline
Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
Please check our official accounts, including Twitter/X, Bluesky or
Mastodon for the latest information.
We apologize for the inconvenience."
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
The web archive appears to be alive again, although archived web pages
are slow to load.

For an example, this now loads:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20080514193524/http://www.nfilter.org/>
--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊️

It's not lost that comes at last.
Paul
2024-10-14 07:17:10 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
As per subject, the website seemed to die the night before last,
possibly the night before that, but I can't remember for sure now. All
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english_202301
https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english-x-64_20211019
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive
"Temporarily Offline
Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
Please check our official accounts, including Twitter/X, Bluesky or
Mastodon for the latest information.
We apologize for the inconvenience."
I hope the service is not going to disappear, it's often very useful.
The web archive appears to be alive again, although archived web pages
are slow to load.
<http://web.archive.org/web/20080514193524/http://www.nfilter.org/>
I tried that nfilter link, and it loaded pretty fast.

This link is still offline.

https://archive.org/details/win-8.1-english-x-64_20211019

The wiki says this.

"On October 13th, 2024, the Wayback Machine was put back up, albeit in a "provisional, read-only manner""

Which means they are still mopping up.

Paul
Ammammata
2024-10-21 13:13:05 UTC
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Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
Service Availability

Wayback Machine, Archive-It and blog.archive.org resumed.

Other Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.

Please come to our events next week: Escaping the Memory Hole
Wednesday, October 23rd, and Go Behind-the-Scenes at the Physical
Archive Tuesday, October 22nd.

Please check our official accounts, including Twitter/X, Bluesky or
Mastodon for the latest information.

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We apologize for the inconvenience.
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