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Opera does not play nice with the Firefox browsers.......
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j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-03 13:26:39 UTC
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Opera does not play nicely with the firefox browser .lnk (icon) on the desktop.

A week or so ago I installed Opera 36.0 on XP looking for a lighter footprint than Firefox.
(It was from the Opera site, and 36 was the last release to support XP - I used Opera's installation
exe)

It installed with no problems and it does what i want it to (play direct- link channels from the 181.FM
website-- it will not display the 181fm GUI try it as a direct entry of a browser URL --
http://listen.livestreamingservice.com/181-classicaljazz_128k.mp3

BUT,

On installation, it also changed the firefox link file to point to OPERA!
I would not have expected such behavior from the Opera website.

I remembered i had a backup of all links on the desktop on my non-windows installation system disk,
DISK D. I went to it and there it was -- BUT it had been changed to point to Opera, as well.

The only way i know of to start Firefox now, is to do a commandline start of the GUI, which i have done
several times now.

It is not like a standard programs icon/.lnk and not like the Firefox icon in win 7(which points to the
installation .exe. For XP, It starts out in Documents and settings but i forget what it executes under
Mozilla/Firefox/.

I also have the seamonkey browser on XP, but it was not changed.

If anyone knows how to recreate the desktop icon from an existing installation i would appreciate it.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-03 14:02:20 UTC
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In message <***@4ax.com> at Fri, 3 May
2024 09:26:39, ***@astraweb.com writes
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
On installation, it also changed the firefox link file to point to OPERA!
I would not have expected such behavior from the Opera website.
Are you sure it was actually a .lnk to the Firefox executable, rather
than a link to a web page (these were .url files in the days of IE)?
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I remembered i had a backup of all links on the desktop on my
non-windows installation system disk,
DISK D. I went to it and there it was -- BUT it had been changed to point to Opera, as well.
That's why I'm wondering if Opera has just made itself the default
browser. (Not polite to do so without asking, but ...)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
The only way i know of to start Firefox now, is to do a commandline
start of the GUI, which i have done
several times now.
Next time you do that, see if you can find the option to make it
(Firefox) your default browser. (I forget where it is, but it's in the
settings somewhere, or was last time I looked.)
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
I also have the seamonkey browser on XP, but it was not changed.
That is perhaps a true .lnk to the executable, rather than a link to a
web page (or to an HTM[L] file, maybe a blank one).
Post by j***@astraweb.com
If anyone knows how to recreate the desktop icon from an existing
installation i would appreciate it.
If the above fails, I suppose you could reinstall Firefox from the
latest install you have; _hopefully_ it will pick up existing bookmarks
and settings, but I have no knowledge. (It _should_ if it's a later
version than the one you were running, or perhaps if the same version.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than
to those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US
president, architect and author (1743-1826)
j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-03 15:52:24 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
On installation, it also changed the firefox link file to point to OPERA!
I would not have expected such behavior from the Opera website.
Are you sure it was actually a .lnk to the Firefox executable, rather
than a link to a web page (these were .url files in the days of IE)?
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I remembered i had a backup of all links on the desktop on my
non-windows installation system disk,
DISK D. I went to it and there it was -- BUT it had been changed to
point to Opera, as well.
That's why I'm wondering if Opera has just made itself the default
browser. (Not polite to do so without asking, but ...)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
The only way i know of to start Firefox now, is to do a commandline
start of the GUI, which i have done
several times now.
Next time you do that, see if you can find the option to make it
(Firefox) your default browser. (I forget where it is, but it's in the
settings somewhere, or was last time I looked.)
[]
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I also have the seamonkey browser on XP, but it was not changed.
That is perhaps a true .lnk to the executable, rather than a link to a
web page (or to an HTM[L] file, maybe a blank one).
Post by j***@astraweb.com
If anyone knows how to recreate the desktop icon from an existing
installation i would appreciate it.
If the above fails, I suppose you could reinstall Firefox from the
latest install you have; _hopefully_ it will pick up existing bookmarks
and settings, but I have no knowledge. (It _should_ if it's a later
version than the one you were running, or perhaps if the same version.)
the bad thing about reinstallation is (may be) that, according to a note I saw on a mozilla website, for
XP you have to install ff 43 and work up from there. My current version is 56.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-03 18:39:18 UTC
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In message <***@4ax.com> at Fri, 3 May
2024 11:52:24, ***@astraweb.com writes
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
the bad thing about reinstallation is (may be) that, according to a
note I saw on a mozilla website, for
XP you have to install ff 43 and work up from there. My current version is 56.
Presumably that's starting from no installation, though; presumably if
56 is already installed, it can be installed again.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If just one child is saved, then we'll have created a police state for the
benefit of just one child."
j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-03 19:51:17 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
the bad thing about reinstallation is (may be) that, according to a
note I saw on a mozilla website, for
XP you have to install ff 43 and work up from there. My current version is 56.
Presumably that's starting from no installation, though; presumably if
56 is already installed, it can be installed again.
I believe that they had started even back then doing incremental updates instead of full reinstalls.
I have not even checked if i still had the incremental (or maybe full) backup for 56 (of my XP) but
assume not because even back then it was cleaning up after itself and erasing the source for the
incremental backup.

Actually that makes sense when I think about it. -- They are saying that release 43 was the last "full
install" prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).

I really am going to a lot of trouble with this old XP machine when all i really want is a nice nightime
internet capable radio. lol.....

One of the numerous interesting things i have come across is that MPC 6.4 (Media Player Classic) really
has no idea what a URL is, but plays local non-internet media just fine.

The reason I am going for "light footprint" in all of these cases is that the XP machine wass not
underpowered for the time -- a 1.76Ggtz processor. But only has a single partition.
Where for win 7 I am running Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4130 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 3400 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4
Logical Processor(s), so MSINFO32.exe tells me

So comparatively, my Win 7 machine is a lightning strike when it comes to computational power.
The only thing I have seen that pushed all four logical processors to about 98% utilization, 180 degree
F heat, and quadruple my internal fan speeds (per AIDA64) was HANDBRAKE encoding MKVs with x265 codec.
I thought it must be dangerously close to a heat shutdown.
R.Wieser
2024-05-03 20:17:13 UTC
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Jack,
... prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).
Could you tell me where you got that 'last update for XP' info from ?
AFAIK v52 was the last - as below mentioned :

"The 52esr family will be the last release to run on Windows XP and Vista."

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.9.0/system-requirements/

I just took a peek at the system requrements for v56 to be sure, and it
mentions Win7 as its minimum OS.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/56.0/system-requirements/


As for your question, I have installed FF v52 on a few new installations of
XPsp3, and all of them worked.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser
j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-04 14:53:00 UTC
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Post by R.Wieser
Jack,
... prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).
Could you tell me where you got that 'last update for XP' info from ?
"The 52esr family will be the last release to run on Windows XP and Vista."
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.9.0/system-requirements/
I just took a peek at the system requrements for v56 to be sure, and it
mentions Win7 as its minimum OS.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/56.0/system-requirements/
Ok, i misremembered it then. The XP machine is upstairs from me and shutdown unless i have something
specific to do with it. Thanks.
Post by R.Wieser
As for your question, I have installed FF v52 on a few new installations of
XPsp3, and all of them worked.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Kerr-Mudd, John
2024-05-05 14:49:56 UTC
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On Sat, 04 May 2024 10:53:00 -0400
Post by j***@astraweb.com
Post by R.Wieser
Jack,
... prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).
Could you tell me where you got that 'last update for XP' info from ?
"The 52esr family will be the last release to run on Windows XP and Vista."
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.9.0/system-requirements/
I just took a peek at the system requrements for v56 to be sure, and it
mentions Win7 as its minimum OS.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/56.0/system-requirements/
Ok, i misremembered it then. The XP machine is upstairs from me and shutdown unless i have something
specific to do with it. Thanks.
Post by R.Wieser
As for your question, I have installed FF v52 on a few new installations of
XPsp3, and all of them worked.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Try MyPal browser. It claims to be a (more up-to-date) version of Firefox
for XP
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
R.Wieser
2024-05-05 16:09:35 UTC
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John,
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Try MyPal browser. It claims to be a (more up-to-date) version of
Firefox for XP.
Thanks, but I don't care too much about "up to date". As long as it (still)
does its job its good enough for me. Same reason why I'm still running XP.
:-)

The only reason I asked is that FF v52 has a bug in regard to background
processes for new-style plugins when JS is disabled in the browser. I was
wondering if I could update to a version where that was fixed.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Paul
2024-05-06 07:52:41 UTC
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Post by R.Wieser
John,
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Try MyPal browser. It claims to be a (more up-to-date) version of
Firefox for XP.
Thanks, but I don't care too much about "up to date". As long as it (still)
does its job its good enough for me. Same reason why I'm still running XP.
:-)
The only reason I asked is that FF v52 has a bug in regard to background
processes for new-style plugins when JS is disabled in the browser. I was
wondering if I could update to a version where that was fixed.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
For some of the browsers, nothing prevents you from getting
source and making changes.

And in case you think this is far fetched, remember that
soon, AI capable of refactoring code will be more widely
available, and you won't have to lift a finger. Merely
pay a huge electrical bill.

Since the source for Windows XP is available, you'll be
able to change the threading model, add back your modified
browser, and... away you go.

Paul
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-04 08:45:34 UTC
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Presumably that's starting from no installation, though; presumably if
56 is already installed, it can be installed again.
I believe that they had started even back then doing incremental
updates instead of full reinstalls.
I have not even checked if i still had the incremental (or maybe full)
backup for 56 (of my XP) but
assume not because even back then it was cleaning up after itself and
erasing the source for the
incremental backup.
Actually that makes sense when I think about it. -- They are saying
that release 43 was the last "full
install" prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).
Ah, I see. So even if you go to their archive website, you can't _get_ a
full 56?

(Anyway, it's academic - as long as you are taking an image
occasionally! - as I think you said you'd got the necessary icon back.)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I really am going to a lot of trouble with this old XP machine when all
i really want is a nice nightime
internet capable radio. lol.....
I'm very much in favour of keeping old things going!
Post by j***@astraweb.com
One of the numerous interesting things i have come across is that MPC
6.4 (Media Player Classic) really
has no idea what a URL is, but plays local non-internet media just fine.
Interesting; I have version 2.1.4 (on my W7-32), but it's "MPC-HC",
which is maybe a different thing; it seems to have come with the K-Lite
Codec Pack, as that's where its .exe is, and I don't seem to have a
separate installer for it in my installs directory. (I have
"K-Lite_Codec_Pack_1805_Mega [18.0.5, 2024-1-15].exe" [I will have added
the bit in square brackets to the name], downloaded 2024-1-19, so that's
probably where I got it. I'd offer to send it, but it's 63,742 KB; you
should be able to find it if you want it.)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
The reason I am going for "light footprint" in all of these cases is
that the XP machine wass not
underpowered for the time -- a 1.76Ggtz processor. But only has a single partition.
Core?
Post by j***@astraweb.com
3.40GHz, 3400 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4
Logical Processor(s), so MSINFO32.exe tells me
i3 here too - i3-2350M @ 2.30 GHz, 2300 Mhz (why do they tell us both,
and they've got the second h wrong!), 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
(that last bit is basically what an i3 is, I think).
Post by j***@astraweb.com
So comparatively, my Win 7 machine is a lightning strike when it comes
to computational power.
The only thing I have seen that pushed all four logical processors to
about 98% utilization, 180 degree
F heat, and quadruple my internal fan speeds (per AIDA64) was HANDBRAKE
encoding MKVs with x265 codec.
I thought it must be dangerously close to a heat shutdown.
Having had a previous (albeit much underpowered by comparison) machine
have problems with heat (laptops are more susceptible, I think), I get
very nervous if I ever hear the fan taking off, so try to stop
whatever's doing it. I don't do much video transcoding. The thing I
notice it most on these days is some web pages (for example nextdoor),
even when I'm not actually doing anything on them; ridiculous! If I have
Task Manager open, I can clearly see - in both the memory usage and
cores (it takes well over one of them) - when I open and close a tab to
nextdoor. Web pages - some of them, anyway - are basically software
these days, and AFAICS extremely inefficient software at that.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep decide what is for dinner.
(quoted by) Ipraylam, 2015-07-13
j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-04 15:36:26 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Presumably that's starting from no installation, though; presumably if
56 is already installed, it can be installed again.
I believe that they had started even back then doing incremental
updates instead of full reinstalls.
I have not even checked if i still had the incremental (or maybe full)
backup for 56 (of my XP) but
assume not because even back then it was cleaning up after itself and
erasing the source for the
incremental backup.
Actually that makes sense when I think about it. -- They are saying
that release 43 was the last "full
install" prior to the last update for XP (which was 56).
Ah, I see. So even if you go to their archive website, you can't _get_ a
full 56?
Correct. And Opera is faster than Firefox, so i will be using that where in the past i would fire up
Firefox.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
(Anyway, it's academic - as long as you are taking an image
occasionally! - as I think you said you'd got the necessary icon back.)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I really am going to a lot of trouble with this old XP machine when all
i really want is a nice nightime
internet capable radio. lol.....
I'm very much in favour of keeping old things going!
:-)
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by j***@astraweb.com
One of the numerous interesting things i have come across is that MPC
6.4 (Media Player Classic) really
has no idea what a URL is, but plays local non-internet media just fine.
Interesting; I have version 2.1.4 (on my W7-32), but it's "MPC-HC",
which is maybe a different thing; it seems to have come with the K-Lite
Codec Pack, as that's where its .exe is, and I don't seem to have a
separate installer for it in my installs directory. (I have
"K-Lite_Codec_Pack_1805_Mega [18.0.5, 2024-1-15].exe" [I will have added
the bit in square brackets to the name], downloaded 2024-1-19, so that's
probably where I got it. I'd offer to send it, but it's 63,742 KB; you
should be able to find it if you want it.)
I have several video/audio player. I even used WinAmp as my main player -- movies and audio for a
while. By the end (and i have next to the last WinAmp player that goes semi-transparent on loss of
focus, there were all kinds of add-on bells and whistles for WinAmp and at the time i was last using it
on a regular basis -- about a decade ago -- it gave the best sound reproduction (enhanced by some of
those bells and whistles).

I imported my final WinAmp player form XP to Win 7 where it will still play as a standalone player.

Anyway, i specified the release/version of the MPC i was talking about because i figured that if they
stayed in business, they would update certain aspects of it.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by j***@astraweb.com
The reason I am going for "light footprint" in all of these cases is
that the XP machine wass not
underpowered for the time -- a 1.76Ggtz processor. But only has a single partition.
Core?
Yes.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by j***@astraweb.com
3.40GHz, 3400 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4
Logical Processor(s), so MSINFO32.exe tells me
and they've got the second h wrong!), 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
(that last bit is basically what an i3 is, I think).
Post by j***@astraweb.com
So comparatively, my Win 7 machine is a lightning strike when it comes
to computational power.
The only thing I have seen that pushed all four logical processors to
about 98% utilization, 180 degree
F heat, and quadruple my internal fan speeds (per AIDA64) was HANDBRAKE
encoding MKVs with x265 codec.
I thought it must be dangerously close to a heat shutdown.
Having had a previous (albeit much underpowered by comparison) machine
have problems with heat (laptops are more susceptible, I think), I get
very nervous if I ever hear the fan taking off, so try to stop
whatever's doing it. I don't do much video transcoding. The thing I
notice it most on these days is some web pages (for example nextdoor),
even when I'm not actually doing anything on them; ridiculous! If I have
Task Manager open, I can clearly see - in both the memory usage and
cores (it takes well over one of them) - when I open and close a tab to
nextdoor. Web pages - some of them, anyway - are basically software
these days, and AFAICS extremely inefficient software at that.
Yep, i try to keep up with any heat issues. My win 7 desktop has not really had any except the
HANDBRAKE. I have had heat shutdowns (aka crashes :-)) in XP and if you ever have, you quickly begin
to keep monitoring equipment on hand and watching it...... AIDA actually gives the fans rpms, all kinds
of sensor readings for temps and hundreds of other things.
It used to be called "Engineer's" something......
For the Win 7 machine, where the cpu fan normally runs at 1300+- rpm, Handbrake pushed the CPU fan to
over 5000 rpm and it was making quite the racket -- to those listening for it. I put two external fans
on the box -- one directly on the vents and one blowing away the exhaust that came out the back and that
did quiet down and cool down things a little.

I also had "Speedfan" (don't know if it is still in existence) running back in the XP prime days, but
not now.

Of course you are correct that code is inefficient -- as well as extremely complex-- these days. We
have such computational power and download speed that modern computers -- and phones -- can crunch and
spit out in a couple of seconds what would take a 386 processor a couple hours to untangle -- if it ever
did.

When i left the mainframe world, a 386, originally with no math co-processor or external RAM was my
first machine. It cost 3 times as much as the Win 7 machine i am using now.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-04 19:01:30 UTC
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2024 11:36:26, ***@astraweb.com writes
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
I have several video/audio player. I even used WinAmp as my main
player -- movies and audio for a
while. By the end (and i have next to the last WinAmp player that goes
semi-transparent on loss of
focus, there were all kinds of add-on bells and whistles for WinAmp and
at the time i was last using it
on a regular basis -- about a decade ago -- it gave the best sound
reproduction (enhanced by some of
those bells and whistles).
I default to WinAmp for sound, and VLC for video. My WinAmp is 5.9.2,
but I use a "Skin" called Winamp Classic (comes with, not a third party
one) that makes it look like a WinAmp of years earlier (a bit line a
1980s music centre, with components). I'm happy with the sound quality I
have. I _edit_ sounds in GoldWave - I bought that not long before
Audacity came out, and I gather the latter works much the same; I use
GoldWave because I'd got used to it. I very rarely edit video - when I
do my _preferred_ is VirtualDub, though I think I have to use other
things (or a format converter) for things VirtualDub won't handle.
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I imported my final WinAmp player form XP to Win 7 where it will still
play as a standalone player.
Anyway, i specified the release/version of the MPC i was talking about
because i figured that if they
stayed in business, they would update certain aspects of it.
Have a look at the K-Lite Codec Pack - that comes with a fairly recent
version of MPC.
[]
Post by j***@astraweb.com
for it. I put two external fans
on the box -- one directly on the vents and one blowing away the
exhaust that came out the back and that
did quiet down and cool down things a little.
Difficult to do for laptops. You can get fan trays to put under them,
but they make the whole thing less wieldy.
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I also had "Speedfan" (don't know if it is still in existence) running
back in the XP prime days, but
not now.
I have it - 4.52. Tells me my temperatures are around 50C at the moment,
which is OK. (Says the one fan is 37377 RPM, which I strongly doubt! Oh,
now apparently 55041!)
Post by j***@astraweb.com
Of course you are correct that code is inefficient -- as well as
extremely complex-- these days. We
have such computational power and download speed that modern computers
-- and phones -- can crunch and
spit out in a couple of seconds what would take a 386 processor a
couple hours to untangle -- if it ever
did.
Well, they would, if coders weren't so lazy - initially, and now
actually _unable_ to write compact code. With increasing computing
power, it becomes uneconomical to train/pay coders to code efficiently
(initially) or even know how to [e. g. use assembler] (now), so the
actual speed computers achieve the same tasks remains roughly the same,
or even actually slows down a bit. That certainly applies to web page
scripting.
Post by j***@astraweb.com
When i left the mainframe world, a 386, originally with no math
co-processor or external RAM was my
first machine. It cost 3 times as much as the Win 7 machine i am using now.
My first PC compatible (remember that phrase? sometimes IBM compatible),
as opposed to 8 bit machine (my last was a BBC Master) was a 386SX -
somewhere around 25 or 40 MHz, I think. (Actually a second processor -
an 80186 - made the BBC into a _sort of_ PC. That was a very odd
machine.) I felt a bit guilty "abandoning" Acorn machines for "the
opposition", but pricing made it inevitable (you could get a "PC" with a
lot better hardware specs than the Archimedes route, for a lot less).
That was in DOS (5 or 6, IIRR) days, with Windows 3.1 (which I rarely
used as it was so slow - mainly only if I wanted to look at a web page,
which I didn't much then). I think may have been about 400 pounds - in
the 1980s.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

what - recession? Up north? What we gonna have - more nowt?
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Char Jackson
2024-05-14 23:03:30 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
I default to WinAmp for sound, and VLC for video. My WinAmp is 5.9.2,
but I use a "Skin" called Winamp Classic (comes with, not a third party
one) that makes it look like a WinAmp of years earlier (a bit line a
1980s music centre, with components). I'm happy with the sound quality I
have.
John, do you have a working lyrics plugin for Winamp? I was using an older
version of Winamp, along with the gen_lyrics.dll plugin, but that plugin is no
longer supported as of 5.601, so 5.92 doesn't stand a chance, I guess. I may
have to revert to about 5.61. the last version known (by me) to support the
gen_lyrics.dll plugin.
Char Jackson
2024-05-14 23:06:56 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I default to WinAmp for sound, and VLC for video. My WinAmp is 5.9.2,
but I use a "Skin" called Winamp Classic (comes with, not a third party
one) that makes it look like a WinAmp of years earlier (a bit line a
1980s music centre, with components). I'm happy with the sound quality I
have.
John, do you have a working lyrics plugin for Winamp? I was using an older
version of Winamp, along with the gen_lyrics.dll plugin, but that plugin is no
longer supported as of 5.601, so 5.92 doesn't stand a chance, I guess. I may
have to revert to about 5.61. the last version known (by me) to support the
gen_lyrics.dll plugin.
Hmm, never mind! I reinstalled the lyrics plugin and it's now working with 5.92.
The release notes for 5.601 say that they've disabled support for that plugin,
but it's still working.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-14 23:52:27 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I default to WinAmp for sound, and VLC for video. My WinAmp is 5.9.2,
but I use a "Skin" called Winamp Classic (comes with, not a third party
one) that makes it look like a WinAmp of years earlier (a bit line a
1980s music centre, with components). I'm happy with the sound quality I
have.
John, do you have a working lyrics plugin for Winamp? I was using an older
version of Winamp, along with the gen_lyrics.dll plugin, but that plugin is no
longer supported as of 5.601, so 5.92 doesn't stand a chance, I guess. I may
have to revert to about 5.61. the last version known (by me) to support the
gen_lyrics.dll plugin.
Hmm, never mind! I reinstalled the lyrics plugin and it's now working with 5.92.
The release notes for 5.601 say that they've disabled support for that plugin,
but it's still working.
I never knew about a lyrics plugin! Where did you get it, how does one
use it, and so on? Does it fetch lyrics live, or need a special file
(.lyr or something), if so where do you get them?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Nunc Tutus Exitus Computarus (It is now safe to turn off your computer).
Char Jackson
2024-05-16 02:46:27 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I default to WinAmp for sound, and VLC for video. My WinAmp is 5.9.2,
but I use a "Skin" called Winamp Classic (comes with, not a third party
one) that makes it look like a WinAmp of years earlier (a bit line a
1980s music centre, with components). I'm happy with the sound quality I
have.
John, do you have a working lyrics plugin for Winamp? I was using an older
version of Winamp, along with the gen_lyrics.dll plugin, but that plugin is no
longer supported as of 5.601, so 5.92 doesn't stand a chance, I guess. I may
have to revert to about 5.61. the last version known (by me) to support the
gen_lyrics.dll plugin.
Hmm, never mind! I reinstalled the lyrics plugin and it's now working with 5.92.
The release notes for 5.601 say that they've disabled support for that plugin,
but it's still working.
I never knew about a lyrics plugin! Where did you get it, how does one
use it, and so on? Does it fetch lyrics live, or need a special file
(.lyr or something), if so where do you get them?
I believe I got the plugin from https://www.lyricsplugin.com/, where I would
have selected the Windows one, of course. I've been using it for at least 20
years, so my memory of the download is hazy.

Close Winamp before installing the plugin. Installation takes just seconds
because it's basically only extracting the .dll and placing it into Winamp's
plugins folder. No need to reboot. The next time you run Winamp, it should
immediately use the new plugin, but you can manually enable/disable it via
Winamp's View menu. The GUI indication is that a new floating window will be
open, but you can dock it to the main Winamp program. I dock it on Winamp's
right side, which is thereafter remembered. You can also look in Options,
Preferences, Plugins, General Purpose, to make sure the Lyrics Plugin is listed
there. There are no configuration options on this plugin, unlike most of the
others that you'll see.

It should automatically retrieve the proper lyrics, but it requires a few
things, including an Internet connection. If it doesn't show any lyrics, or it
shows the wrong lyrics, it's usually because the embedded Title and/or Artist
are blank or wrong. Use Alt-3 to bring up the tag editor to verify that.
Usually, lyrics get displayed immediately.* The lyrics window doesn't auto
scroll, so you may have to manually scroll.

Winamp's lyrics plugin on Windows 10 worked fine until very recently, but now
there's about a 15-second delay before any lyrics are displayed, and sometimes
the lyrics never come up. Earlier Win 10, Win 8.x, and Win 7 are all fine.

There's a second way to get lyrics, sort of. You may have seen .mp3 files that
have a companion .cdg file, usually packed in a single zip file. Those are
karaoke files and Winamp knows how to use them. The .cdg files need to be in the
same folder as their same-named .mp3 files, and Winamp will show you only the
lines that you'd need to sing along, karaoke style. The lyrics plugin, on the
other hand, shows all of the lyrics, all of the time.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-16 05:20:39 UTC
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[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I never knew about a lyrics plugin! Where did you get it, how does one
use it, and so on? Does it fetch lyrics live, or need a special file
(.lyr or something), if so where do you get them?
I believe I got the plugin from https://www.lyricsplugin.com/, where I would
That still worked, thanks.
Post by Char Jackson
have selected the Windows one, of course. I've been using it for at least 20
years, so my memory of the download is hazy.
Well, it offered me a choice of (Lyrics Plugin for) Windows Media
Player, Winamp, or iTunes - no selection for OS, so I presume it
preselected that.
Post by Char Jackson
Close Winamp before installing the plugin. Installation takes just seconds
because it's basically only extracting the .dll and placing it into Winamp's
plugins folder. No need to reboot. The next time you run Winamp, it should
Seemed to go fine, including finding the right place (I think the
default).
Post by Char Jackson
immediately use the new plugin, but you can manually enable/disable it via
Winamp's View menu. The GUI indication is that a new floating window will be
open, but you can dock it to the main Winamp program. I dock it on Winamp's
right side, which is thereafter remembered. You can also look in Options,
It did, and I did the same as you.
Post by Char Jackson
Preferences, Plugins, General Purpose, to make sure the Lyrics Plugin is listed
It is.
Post by Char Jackson
there. There are no configuration options on this plugin, unlike most of the
others that you'll see.
Indeed. On clicking on it the Configure selected plug-in button was
un-greyed, but clicking it did nothing.
Post by Char Jackson
It should automatically retrieve the proper lyrics, but it requires a few
things, including an Internet connection. If it doesn't show any lyrics, or it
shows the wrong lyrics, it's usually because the embedded Title and/or Artist
are blank or wrong. Use Alt-3 to bring up the tag editor to verify that.
I've been using WinAmp as my tag editor for years (if anything it's why
I use WinAmp as my default mp3 player! Though I like the old appearance
too.)
Post by Char Jackson
Usually, lyrics get displayed immediately.* The lyrics window doesn't auto
scroll, so you may have to manually scroll.
Winamp's lyrics plugin on Windows 10 worked fine until very recently, but now
there's about a 15-second delay before any lyrics are displayed, and sometimes
the lyrics never come up. Earlier Win 10, Win 8.x, and Win 7 are all fine.
Hmm. This is where it failed. I tried a Baccara track, then a Boney M
one, and finally one where alt-3 (actually I usually double-click on the
scrolling part of the display) shows, under all three of Basic Info,
ID3v1, and ID3v2 - Title: Dancing Queen, Artist: ABBA. For all of those,
the new window remained blank; I thought that last one at least should
work! I let it play all through. I just tried renaming the file - I have
it called "[1974] Dancing Queen.mp3" and tried removing the leading 7
characters - but no, even after a minute.
Post by Char Jackson
There's a second way to get lyrics, sort of. You may have seen .mp3 files that
have a companion .cdg file, usually packed in a single zip file. Those are
karaoke files and Winamp knows how to use them. The .cdg files need to be in the
same folder as their same-named .mp3 files, and Winamp will show you only the
lines that you'd need to sing along, karaoke style. The lyrics plugin, on the
other hand, shows all of the lyrics, all of the time.
Hmm. As I had the lyrics (actually in the Comment field of ID3v2, as I
often do), I tried creating (in Notepad) "[1974] Dancing Queen.cdg" in
the same folder, but nothing happened - I didn't expect it to, as I
presume for Karaoke it needs more than just the plain text.

So thanks, even if it didn't work! I'll leave it in place - maybe one
day it'll burst into life! Though I suspect there's fundamentally
something stopping it. (I even tried changing ABBA to Abba - no change.)
Final thought - I have a big hosts file, so looked there for "yric" - I
found one entry, ad.lyricswire.com, so tried unblocking that - no
change. But I may be blocking something else it needs.

Queen to Nana Mouskouri, Doris Day to Bonnie Tyler, Bing Crosby to Mungo
Jerry, Beatles to Procul Harum (I have eclectic tastes, though leaning
towards easy listening) - remained stubbornly blank! (-:

(But I've had an enjoyable few minutes playing snatches of my
collection!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Norman Tebbitt has the irritating quality of being much nicer in person than
he is in print. - Clive Anderson, RT 1996/10/12-18
Char Jackson
2024-05-17 03:37:48 UTC
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[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I never knew about a lyrics plugin! Where did you get it, how does one
use it, and so on? Does it fetch lyrics live, or need a special file
(.lyr or something), if so where do you get them?
I believe I got the plugin from https://www.lyricsplugin.com/, where I would
That still worked, thanks.
Post by Char Jackson
have selected the Windows one, of course. I've been using it for at least 20
years, so my memory of the download is hazy.
Well, it offered me a choice of (Lyrics Plugin for) Windows Media
Player, Winamp, or iTunes - no selection for OS, so I presume it
preselected that.
Good catch. What was I thinking... :)
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Close Winamp before installing the plugin. Installation takes just seconds
because it's basically only extracting the .dll and placing it into Winamp's
plugins folder. No need to reboot. The next time you run Winamp, it should
Seemed to go fine, including finding the right place (I think the
default).
Post by Char Jackson
immediately use the new plugin, but you can manually enable/disable it via
Winamp's View menu. The GUI indication is that a new floating window will be
open, but you can dock it to the main Winamp program. I dock it on Winamp's
right side, which is thereafter remembered. You can also look in Options,
It did, and I did the same as you.
Post by Char Jackson
Preferences, Plugins, General Purpose, to make sure the Lyrics Plugin is listed
It is.
Post by Char Jackson
there. There are no configuration options on this plugin, unlike most of the
others that you'll see.
Indeed. On clicking on it the Configure selected plug-in button was
un-greyed, but clicking it did nothing.
Post by Char Jackson
It should automatically retrieve the proper lyrics, but it requires a few
things, including an Internet connection. If it doesn't show any lyrics, or it
shows the wrong lyrics, it's usually because the embedded Title and/or Artist
are blank or wrong. Use Alt-3 to bring up the tag editor to verify that.
I've been using WinAmp as my tag editor for years (if anything it's why
I use WinAmp as my default mp3 player! Though I like the old appearance
too.)
Post by Char Jackson
Usually, lyrics get displayed immediately.* The lyrics window doesn't auto
scroll, so you may have to manually scroll.
Winamp's lyrics plugin on Windows 10 worked fine until very recently, but now
there's about a 15-second delay before any lyrics are displayed, and sometimes
the lyrics never come up. Earlier Win 10, Win 8.x, and Win 7 are all fine.
Hmm. This is where it failed. I tried a Baccara track, then a Boney M
one, and finally one where alt-3 (actually I usually double-click on the
scrolling part of the display) shows, under all three of Basic Info,
ID3v1, and ID3v2 - Title: Dancing Queen, Artist: ABBA. For all of those,
the new window remained blank; I thought that last one at least should
work! I let it play all through. I just tried renaming the file - I have
it called "[1974] Dancing Queen.mp3" and tried removing the leading 7
characters - but no, even after a minute.
Basic Info (Title and Artist on that tab, nothing else) is the only one that I
ever change, and the lyrics should update almost immediately upon pressing OK.
In fact, with "Gone Shootin' - AC/DC" displaying its lyrics, I changed the Basic
Info to "Dancing Queen - Abba" (and clicked OK) and the lyrics updated
immediately. Same when I changed Basic Info to "Burn - Deep Purple" and a few
others. If I enter a nonsensical title-artist, my nonsense just gets displayed
at the top of the lyrics window, without any lyrics underneath the title.
Obviously, the plugin is only looking at those two text entries rather than
trying to analyze the file or whatever else might be possible, so it's easy to
fool it. I'm actually not sure where, on the Internet, it gets its lyrics.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
There's a second way to get lyrics, sort of. You may have seen .mp3 files that
have a companion .cdg file, usually packed in a single zip file. Those are
karaoke files and Winamp knows how to use them. The .cdg files need to be in the
same folder as their same-named .mp3 files, and Winamp will show you only the
lines that you'd need to sing along, karaoke style. The lyrics plugin, on the
other hand, shows all of the lyrics, all of the time.
Hmm. As I had the lyrics (actually in the Comment field of ID3v2, as I
often do), I tried creating (in Notepad) "[1974] Dancing Queen.cdg" in
the same folder, but nothing happened - I didn't expect it to, as I
presume for Karaoke it needs more than just the plain text.
Yes, .cdg files have a specific structure that tells Winamp what to display and
when to display it. It's sort of a video file, almost.

As for your song title example, the leading [1974] will be a dealbreaker, in my
experience. When you removed that, did you hit OK?
Post by J. P. Gilliver
So thanks, even if it didn't work! I'll leave it in place - maybe one
day it'll burst into life! Though I suspect there's fundamentally
something stopping it. (I even tried changing ABBA to Abba - no change.)
I'm disappointed that it's not working for you.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Final thought - I have a big hosts file, so looked there for "yric" - I
found one entry, ad.lyricswire.com, so tried unblocking that - no
change. But I may be blocking something else it needs.
Queen to Nana Mouskouri, Doris Day to Bonnie Tyler, Bing Crosby to Mungo
Jerry, Beatles to Procul Harum (I have eclectic tastes, though leaning
(But I've had an enjoyable few minutes playing snatches of my
collection!)
Thanks for giving it a shot!
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-17 10:00:48 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
immediately use the new plugin, but you can manually enable/disable it via
Winamp's View menu. The GUI indication is that a new floating window will be
open, but you can dock it to the main Winamp program. I dock it on Winamp's
right side, which is thereafter remembered. You can also look in Options,
It did, and I did the same as you.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Usually, lyrics get displayed immediately.* The lyrics window doesn't auto
scroll, so you may have to manually scroll.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
the lyrics never come up. Earlier Win 10, Win 8.x, and Win 7 are all fine.
Hmm. This is where it failed. I tried a Baccara track, then a Boney M
one, and finally one where alt-3 (actually I usually double-click on the
scrolling part of the display) shows, under all three of Basic Info,
ID3v1, and ID3v2 - Title: Dancing Queen, Artist: ABBA. For all of those,
the new window remained blank; I thought that last one at least should
work! I let it play all through. I just tried renaming the file - I have
it called "[1974] Dancing Queen.mp3" and tried removing the leading 7
characters - but no, even after a minute.
Basic Info (Title and Artist on that tab, nothing else) is the only one that I
I fill in quite a lot of them - I just like doing so! I usually edit on
the ID3v2 tab, as that has the most fields, but the relevant ones appear
in the Basic Info one.
Post by Char Jackson
ever change, and the lyrics should update almost immediately upon pressing OK.
Not in my case.
Post by Char Jackson
In fact, with "Gone Shootin' - AC/DC" displaying its lyrics, I changed the Basic
Info to "Dancing Queen - Abba" (and clicked OK) and the lyrics updated
immediately. Same when I changed Basic Info to "Burn - Deep Purple" and a few
others. If I enter a nonsensical title-artist, my nonsense just gets displayed
at the top of the lyrics window, without any lyrics underneath the title.
Ah, so should at least the title/artist content appear in the lyric
window even if nothing else does? I just tried changing both title and
artist on Basic Info to xyzzy (hello to those that recognise that!), and
_did_ click OK - and the lyrics window remained stubbornly blank.
Post by Char Jackson
Obviously, the plugin is only looking at those two text entries rather than
trying to analyze the file or whatever else might be possible, so it's easy to
fool it. I'm actually not sure where, on the Internet, it gets its lyrics.
Hmm. I'm not sure if in my case it's not getting access, or just
(because the xyzzy didn't appear either) not working at all.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Yes, .cdg files have a specific structure that tells Winamp what to display and
when to display it. It's sort of a video file, almost.
I've never actually encountered any. I guess they're more like subtitle
files for videos.
Post by Char Jackson
As for your song title example, the leading [1974] will be a dealbreaker, in my
experience. When you removed that, did you hit OK?
That was only in the filename in Explorer - not the Title field in the
Basic Info (or other) tab(s). (Those all have a Year field.)
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
So thanks, even if it didn't work! I'll leave it in place - maybe one
day it'll burst into life! Though I suspect there's fundamentally
something stopping it. (I even tried changing ABBA to Abba - no change.)
I'm disappointed that it's not working for you.
Anyone else use it (ideally with WinAmp 5.9.2 set to Winamp Classic
shell under W7HP-32) and know what I'm doing wrong?
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Thanks for giving it a shot!
Thanks for replying!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep
enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr
Char Jackson
2024-05-18 01:18:39 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
Ah, so should at least the title/artist content appear in the lyric
window even if nothing else does? I just tried changing both title and
artist on Basic Info to xyzzy (hello to those that recognise that!), and
_did_ click OK - and the lyrics window remained stubbornly blank.
The lyrics window should always have the same color background as the rest of
the Winamp sections, (main program, equalizer, playlist, etc.), which is blue in
my case because I use the Modern skin. I'm thinking yours might be black, but
for me, when things are going horribly wrong, the lyrics window turns white,
with no text displayed at all. A white window is no good.

Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
I don't even use any of the visualizations plugins that come with the program.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Obviously, the plugin is only looking at those two text entries rather than
trying to analyze the file or whatever else might be possible, so it's easy to
fool it. I'm actually not sure where, on the Internet, it gets its lyrics.
Hmm. I'm not sure if in my case it's not getting access, or just
(because the xyzzy didn't appear either) not working at all.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Yes, .cdg files have a specific structure that tells Winamp what to display and
when to display it. It's sort of a video file, almost.
I've never actually encountered any. I guess they're more like subtitle
files for videos.
Yes, but they also have video in them that Winamp knows how to play. You might
see something like a tropical island beach, with waves coming ashore and palm
trees waving in the breeze, and the lyrics that you need to sing are displayed
over the top of that, sometimes with a bouncing ball to help you keep your
place.

I'm told that thousands of karaoke songs are available online for free*, which
you can get in mp3+cdg format, but I haven't bothered. *Free because the songs
are out of copyright. Newer stuff can cost a quid or two.

This could be a possible source for free stuff but I haven't tried. House of the
Rising Sun is one of my favorites and they have it in the free section. It looks
like they want you to create an account, but there should be plenty of other
places to check out.
[]
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-18 07:39:50 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Ah, so should at least the title/artist content appear in the lyric
window even if nothing else does? I just tried changing both title and
artist on Basic Info to xyzzy (hello to those that recognise that!), and
_did_ click OK - and the lyrics window remained stubbornly blank.
The lyrics window should always have the same color background as the rest of
the Winamp sections, (main program, equalizer, playlist, etc.), which is blue in
my case because I use the Modern skin. I'm thinking yours might be black, but
for me, when things are going horribly wrong, the lyrics window turns white,
with no text displayed at all. A white window is no good.
In the "Winamp Classic" skin I use, most of the frame is dark grey with
light grey buttons; the main (?) section has the clock/spectrum display,
scrolling artist-title, kbps, and kHz as green text on black; the
playlist has white text on black for the list, green on black for
countdown. The lyrics window has a grey frame, around a white area with
a scrollbar. See Loading Image...
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
I do sometimes, but it seems erratic in the way it operates; for
example, I have not added any for the current file, but when I look at
the Artwork tag, it shows an image - it selects one called cover.jpg
from the current directory. I did not put that image there; I selected
that image (though not called cover) when editing a different mp3 file.
I _think_ WinAmp, when you select ("Load Artwork") an image file, copies
the file you select to the current directory as cover.jpg, and then uses
that for any file you haven't assigned an artwork to. But (as you'll see
from the above link) I don't display them during playback anyway.
Post by Char Jackson
I don't even use any of the visualizations plugins that come with the program.
Me neither.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I've never actually encountered any. I guess they're more like subtitle
files for videos.
Yes, but they also have video in them that Winamp knows how to play. You might
see something like a tropical island beach, with waves coming ashore and palm
trees waving in the breeze, and the lyrics that you need to sing are displayed
over the top of that, sometimes with a bouncing ball to help you keep your
place.
Oh right! I see what you mean about them being almost video files. Never
seen one!
Post by Char Jackson
I'm told that thousands of karaoke songs are available online for free*, which
you can get in mp3+cdg format, but I haven't bothered. *Free because the songs
are out of copyright. Newer stuff can cost a quid or two.
Ah, I suspect most or all of my music files wouldn't be out of
copyright, and I've just had a quick look with Everything and I have
1,986 mp3 files, so at even a quid, let alone two, that'd come to quite
a lot!
Post by Char Jackson
This could be a possible source for free stuff but I haven't tried. House of the
Rising Sun is one of my favorites and they have it in the free section.
Ah - the Animals - a classic, from 1964-5-18; video at
. (Though I do also have a
weird novelty - a 55 second version of it by Nana Mouskouri; She
actually does it quite well!

- though poor audio.) Hmm, the Animals version - wow, it's to the day
today! 60 years old. (That makes _me_ feel old! [I'm actually 64, but
finding that such a piece is 60 ...]) Recorded at De Lane Lea Studios,
Kingsway, London. I don't know when copyright runs out - it's different
in different countries, and I know at least one of the Animals has died.
I had a feeling a figure of seventysomething (years) comes in somewhere,
though, so am surprised you found it in the free section. Unless, of
course, the Animals (or whoever the rights owner is) have declared it
public domain.
Post by Char Jackson
It looks
like they want you to create an account, but there should be plenty of other
places to check out.
[]
Did you intend to put a link in your post? I don't see one ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't like that word [atheist]; it implies that there's a god not to believe
in - Eric Idle, quoted in RT 2016/12/10-16
Char Jackson
2024-05-19 04:46:05 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Ah, so should at least the title/artist content appear in the lyric
window even if nothing else does? I just tried changing both title and
artist on Basic Info to xyzzy (hello to those that recognise that!), and
_did_ click OK - and the lyrics window remained stubbornly blank.
The lyrics window should always have the same color background as the rest of
the Winamp sections, (main program, equalizer, playlist, etc.), which is blue in
my case because I use the Modern skin. I'm thinking yours might be black, but
for me, when things are going horribly wrong, the lyrics window turns white,
with no text displayed at all. A white window is no good.
In the "Winamp Classic" skin I use, most of the frame is dark grey with
light grey buttons; the main (?) section has the clock/spectrum display,
scrolling artist-title, kbps, and kHz as green text on black; the
playlist has white text on black for the list, green on black for
countdown. The lyrics window has a grey frame, around a white area with
a scrollbar. See https://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard_05-18-2024_01.jpg
Yeah, that's the dreaded white window. I don't know what causes it.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
I do sometimes, but it seems erratic in the way it operates; for
example, I have not added any for the current file, but when I look at
the Artwork tag, it shows an image - it selects one called cover.jpg
from the current directory. I did not put that image there; I selected
that image (though not called cover) when editing a different mp3 file.
I _think_ WinAmp, when you select ("Load Artwork") an image file, copies
the file you select to the current directory as cover.jpg, and then uses
that for any file you haven't assigned an artwork to. But (as you'll see
from the above link) I don't display them during playback anyway.
You have more experience than I do. When I've tried to display album art in
Winamp, it's totally hit or miss, mostly miss. At the same time, when I play
those same tracks in my car, the album art is pretty consistently right.

[]
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
I'm told that thousands of karaoke songs are available online for free*, which
you can get in mp3+cdg format, but I haven't bothered. *Free because the songs
are out of copyright. Newer stuff can cost a quid or two.
Ah, I suspect most or all of my music files wouldn't be out of
copyright, and I've just had a quick look with Everything and I have
1,986 mp3 files, so at even a quid, let alone two, that'd come to quite
a lot!
Post by Char Jackson
This could be a possible source for free stuff but I haven't tried. House of the
Rising Sun is one of my favorites and they have it in the free section.
Ah - the Animals - a classic, from 1964-5-18; video at
http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ . (Though I do also have a
weird novelty - a 55 second version of it by Nana Mouskouri; She
actually does it quite well! http://youtu.be/8BQNxJtkXK0
- though poor audio.) Hmm, the Animals version - wow, it's to the day
today! 60 years old. (That makes _me_ feel old! [I'm actually 64, but
finding that such a piece is 60 ...]) Recorded at De Lane Lea Studios,
Kingsway, London. I don't know when copyright runs out - it's different
in different countries, and I know at least one of the Animals has died.
I believe the most recent was the guy who played the iconic opening guitar riff.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I had a feeling a figure of seventysomething (years) comes in somewhere,
though, so am surprised you found it in the free section. Unless, of
course, the Animals (or whoever the rights owner is) have declared it
public domain.
I think it was written about a hundred years ago. The Animals version was a
cover, but a great cover.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Did you intend to put a link in your post? I don't see one ...
*cough* :)
https://www.karaoke-version.com/karaoke/
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-19 09:15:12 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
a scrollbar. See https://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard_05-18-2024_01.jpg
Yeah, that's the dreaded white window. I don't know what causes it.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
I do sometimes, but it seems erratic in the way it operates; for
example, I have not added any for the current file, but when I look at
the Artwork tag, it shows an image - it selects one called cover.jpg
from the current directory. I did not put that image there; I selected
that image (though not called cover) when editing a different mp3 file.
I _think_ WinAmp, when you select ("Load Artwork") an image file, copies
the file you select to the current directory as cover.jpg, and then uses
that for any file you haven't assigned an artwork to. But (as you'll see
from the above link) I don't display them during playback anyway.
I've just tried, and I can't actually _find_ a setting to display them
during playback! Where is that setting?
Post by Char Jackson
You have more experience than I do. When I've tried to display album art in
Winamp, it's totally hit or miss, mostly miss. At the same time, when I play
those same tracks in my car, the album art is pretty consistently right.
The only mention of Artwork I've found is the Artwork tab under File
Info; the only buttons I've ever used there are Load Artwork... and
Change..., both of which bring up a folder view (starting where the mp3
is) to select an image. If it does an online search, I've never been
aware of it. The Delete button asks if I want to go ahead as the action
cannot be undone, so it seems to be offering to delete the (image) file,
rather than just the link to it.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
This could be a possible source for free stuff but I haven't tried. House of the
Rising Sun is one of my favorites and they have it in the free section.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
in different countries, and I know at least one of the Animals has died.
I believe the most recent was the guy who played the iconic opening guitar riff.
According to my notes, "Hilton Valentine - guitar 1943/5/21-2021/1/29".
Iconic most certainly! According to the Wiki article below, "According
to Valentine, he simply took Dylan's chord sequence and played it as an
arpeggio." (Dylan had recorded it in 1961 for _his_ debut album.)
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I think it was written about a hundred years ago. The Animals version was a
cover, but a great cover.
Has it's own Wikipedia page -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun; gives some
possible connections (and doubts them) to 16th and 17th century origins.
It also says "The Animals version was played in 6/8 meter, unlike the
4/4 of most earlier versions.", so that's arguably more than just a
cover - I've often thought tunes with a waltz (or multiples thereof)
time have an advantage, because of the inherent swing. (It was years
before I realised Chaikovsky's first piano concerto was in waltz time
and that that probably has something to do with its popularity!)
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Did you intend to put a link in your post? I don't see one ...
*cough* :)
https://www.karaoke-version.com/karaoke/
Thanks! (I don't think their free version of HoTRS is the Animals as
such, but it is the 6/8 time one.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

live your dash. ... On your tombstone, there's the date you're born and the
date you die - and in between there's a dash. - a friend quoted by Dustin
Hoffman in Radio Times, 5-11 January 2013
Char Jackson
2024-05-19 19:14:55 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
[]
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I've just tried, and I can't actually _find_ a setting to display them
during playback! Where is that setting?
In the View menu, called Album Art, or just Alt-a?
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
You have more experience than I do. When I've tried to display album art in
Winamp, it's totally hit or miss, mostly miss. At the same time, when I play
those same tracks in my car, the album art is pretty consistently right.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
This could be a possible source for free stuff but I haven't tried. House of the
Rising Sun is one of my favorites and they have it in the free section.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
in different countries, and I know at least one of the Animals has died.
I believe the most recent was the guy who played the iconic opening guitar riff.
According to my notes, "Hilton Valentine - guitar 1943/5/21-2021/1/29".
Iconic most certainly! According to the Wiki article below, "According
to Valentine, he simply took Dylan's chord sequence and played it as an
arpeggio." (Dylan had recorded it in 1961 for _his_ debut album.)
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I think it was written about a hundred years ago. The Animals version was a
cover, but a great cover.
Has it's own Wikipedia page -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun; gives some
possible connections (and doubts them) to 16th and 17th century origins.
It also says "The Animals version was played in 6/8 meter, unlike the
4/4 of most earlier versions.", so that's arguably more than just a
cover - I've often thought tunes with a waltz (or multiples thereof)
time have an advantage, because of the inherent swing. (It was years
before I realised Chaikovsky's first piano concerto was in waltz time
and that that probably has something to do with its popularity!)
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-20 00:45:10 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:39:50 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
[]
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I've just tried, and I can't actually _find_ a setting to display them
during playback! Where is that setting?
In the View menu, called Album Art, or just Alt-a?
Ah. I can't find a View menu! Only the "View file info" (Alt-3) one,
which gives me the Basic Info, Artwork, ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
It also says "The Animals version was played in 6/8 meter, unlike the
4/4 of most earlier versions.", so that's arguably more than just a
cover - I've often thought tunes with a waltz (or multiples thereof)
time have an advantage, because of the inherent swing. (It was years
before I realised Chaikovsky's first piano concerto was in waltz time
and that that probably has something to do with its popularity!)
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
I don't remember having music theory! I did do piano - but when I
scraped through grade 3 with exactly the pass mark, I decided I wasn't
really up to it. (Didn't help that younger brother, mother, and father
all could play well [and Grandma to concert level].) But anyone can
count beats - at least to recognise waltz (three) time; OK, the Animals'
HoTRS you might not get that it's in 6 time, but should be able to see
the threes. (Most music is in four time.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." - Harlan Ellison
Char Jackson
2024-05-20 02:37:08 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:39:50 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Somewhat related, do you add album art to your music, and if so, do you ask
Winamp to display it during playback? I don't, but it sounds like you might.
[]
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I've just tried, and I can't actually _find_ a setting to display them
during playback! Where is that setting?
In the View menu, called Album Art, or just Alt-a?
Ah. I can't find a View menu! Only the "View file info" (Alt-3) one,
which gives me the Basic Info, Artwork, ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags.
I forgot, you're using the Classic skin. I don't think that skin has the
capability to display album art, does it? I'm not seeing it. The Modern skin has
File Play Options View Help across the top, and Album Art (and Lyrics) are both
under the View menu.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
It also says "The Animals version was played in 6/8 meter, unlike the
4/4 of most earlier versions.", so that's arguably more than just a
cover - I've often thought tunes with a waltz (or multiples thereof)
time have an advantage, because of the inherent swing. (It was years
before I realised Chaikovsky's first piano concerto was in waltz time
and that that probably has something to do with its popularity!)
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
I don't remember having music theory! I did do piano - but when I
scraped through grade 3 with exactly the pass mark, I decided I wasn't
really up to it. (Didn't help that younger brother, mother, and father
all could play well [and Grandma to concert level].) But anyone can
count beats - at least to recognise waltz (three) time; OK, the Animals'
HoTRS you might not get that it's in 6 time, but should be able to see
the threes. (Most music is in four time.)
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-20 09:12:06 UTC
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In message <***@4ax.com> at Sun, 19 May
2024 21:37:08, Char Jackson <***@none.invalid> writes
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Post by Char Jackson
I forgot, you're using the Classic skin. I don't think that skin has the
capability to display album art, does it? I'm not seeing it. The Modern
It would appear not. It has the ability to select it, but not display
it!
Post by Char Jackson
skin has
File Play Options View Help across the top, and Album Art (and Lyrics) are both
under the View menu.
I've tried the modern one, and I see it.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Look, if it'll help you to do what I tell you, baby, imagine that I've got a
blaster ray in my hand." "Uh - you _have_ got a blaster ray in your hand." "So
you shouldn't have to tax your imagination too hard." (Link episode)
Char Jackson
2024-05-21 05:25:39 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I forgot, you're using the Classic skin. I don't think that skin has the
capability to display album art, does it? I'm not seeing it. The Modern
It would appear not. It has the ability to select it, but not display
it!
Post by Char Jackson
skin has
File Play Options View Help across the top, and Album Art (and Lyrics) are both
under the View menu.
I've tried the modern one, and I see it.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
My sister tried to explain it to me today, but it didn't resonate. I apparently
listen to music in such a way that there can be no counting of beats.

Thanks for indulging me on the whole Winamp thing, lyrics, album art, and then
music theory.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-21 05:37:10 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
My sister tried to explain it to me today, but it didn't resonate. I apparently
listen to music in such a way that there can be no counting of beats.
(-: [Maybe we can Skype/Zoom/whatever sometime!]
Post by Char Jackson
Thanks for indulging me on the whole Winamp thing, lyrics, album art, and then
music theory.
Thank _you_ for telling me about lyric plugins (even if I haven't
succeeded in getting that one working)!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The great tragedy of science, the slaying of a beautiful theory by an ugly
fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley
Paul
2024-05-21 09:02:02 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I forgot, you're using the Classic skin. I don't think that skin has the
capability to display album art, does it? I'm not seeing it. The Modern
It would appear not. It has the ability to select it, but not display
it!
Post by Char Jackson
skin has
File Play Options View Help across the top, and Album Art (and Lyrics) are both
under the View menu.
I've tried the modern one, and I see it.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
My sister tried to explain it to me today, but it didn't resonate. I apparently
listen to music in such a way that there can be no counting of beats.
When you take an instrument, part of your education is the
mechanics of sheet music. You're taught that stuff so you'll
"be on the same wavelength" when playing in a quartet or in
an orchestra.

The director would be mightily pissed, if you didn't know
that Lente was 72 beats per minute. When you take piano,
early on the teacher will use a metronome, and they will
try to get you to play at the correct tempo.

And when learning the concepts of music, you want "bland" compositions
so that the mechanics stand out more. A favorite example for
me, might be this. Because I've had to play this in front
of people a few times. The composition of these was likely simple
on purpose, so even the worst amateur, could hammer one
of these out.

https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/7b/46_Onward_Christian_Soldiers.pdf

You need to absorb a lot of the analysis and theory, before
you can appreciate something like this. Sometimes when you play
a composition, it's in a certain key, and your instructor
will ask you what key that is. Well, try and analyze one of these.

Rachmaninoff



She's playing that, without sheet music. I've memorized shorter
sections of Rachmaninoff (I use acoustic memory), and you can tell
he wrote that way, just to annoy the musicians :-) So yes, I appreciate music.
And the more comedic aspects.

Some compositions are "show pieces", to show off how fast
a pianist can play an arpeggio. Other compositions tell
a story or express an emotion.

Some pieces, you can "hear that metronome" through the whole piece.
Although some kinds of music, have poor tempo keeping. Some
musicians can't even keep their bloody instruments tuned. If you have
an ear for that sort of thing, that can be annoying.

Mountain - Mississippi Queen (DON'T look at the vid, just listen...)



1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4

https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0040954

Needs more cowbell.

Paul
J. P. Gilliver
2024-05-21 12:43:38 UTC
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On Mon, 20 May 2024 10:12:06 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
[]
Post by Paul
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
My sister tried to explain it to me today, but it didn't resonate. I apparently
listen to music in such a way that there can be no counting of beats.
When you take an instrument, part of your education is the
mechanics of sheet music. You're taught that stuff so you'll
"be on the same wavelength" when playing in a quartet or in
an orchestra.
Yes, for the time signature (4/4, 3/4, 6/8 etcetera).
Post by Paul
The director would be mightily pissed, if you didn't know
that Lente was 72 beats per minute. When you take piano,
early on the teacher will use a metronome, and they will
try to get you to play at the correct tempo.
Although I sort of picked up the various Italian words (Lente just means
"slow", IIRR), I don't remember any of my piano teachers ever producing
a metronome, or mentioning numbers like that. Probably a difference
between US and UK piano teaching?
Post by Paul
And when learning the concepts of music, you want "bland" compositions
so that the mechanics stand out more. A favorite example for
me, might be this. Because I've had to play this in front
of people a few times. The composition of these was likely simple
on purpose, so even the worst amateur, could hammer one
of these out.
https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/7b/46_Onward_Christian_Soldiers.pdf
(Not that simple: it's in three flats, and virtually every beat is four
notes at once!) [Also: I'm used to the last note in bar 7 - "be-fore" -
being a quaver (I forget the US name - eighth-note, I think).]
Post by Paul
You need to absorb a lot of the analysis and theory, before
you can appreciate something like this. Sometimes when you play
a composition, it's in a certain key, and your instructor
will ask you what key that is. Well, try and analyze one of these.
Rachmaninoff
http://youtu.be/rEGOihjqO9w
Rach is way above my skill level. (And - with modern electronic
instruments - I've long thought the keys [I mean the letters, not piano
keys!] are now an artificial barrier maintained by the traditional
establishment, which puts many beginners off. I expect heavy argument
there though!)
[]
Post by Paul
Some pieces, you can "hear that metronome" through the whole piece.
If it's for a specific purpose, especially; that for ballroom dancing
was often known as "strict tempo". I think the best-known on this side
of the pond is the British/English "secular evensong", "Sailing by",
which has extremely fixed tempo.
is the definitive BBC
version, played on Radio 4 between 0:45 and 0:48 every day. (It does
have a rall. right at the end.)
Post by Paul
Although some kinds of music, have poor tempo keeping. Some
musicians can't even keep their bloody instruments tuned. If you have
an ear for that sort of thing, that can be annoying.
Mountain - Mississippi Queen (DON'T look at the vid, just listen...)
(Is that so I don't spot the record going the wrong way at 1:20?!)
Post by Paul
http://youtu.be/qEnF6EB-yMs
1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4
Yes, that's pretty steady four-time (like a lot of rock music).
Post by Paul
https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0040954
Needs more cowbell.
Paul
Identifying what time signature (at least, number of beats) a piece was
in _was_ something I got asked at exams; never anything to do with
speed, though. (I guess if I'd played a piece marked slow as fast, or
vice versa, I'd have lost marks, but never any specific concentration on
BPM.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Write a question, using "why".

Why?
jetjock
2024-05-21 14:22:47 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I forgot, you're using the Classic skin. I don't think that skin has the
capability to display album art, does it? I'm not seeing it. The Modern
It would appear not. It has the ability to select it, but not display
it!
Post by Char Jackson
skin has
File Play Options View Help across the top, and Album Art (and Lyrics) are both
under the View menu.
I've tried the modern one, and I see it.
[]
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
I should have taken music theory in school. :(
[]
Post by Char Jackson
I just know what I like. I have no idea about the rest. :)
It's rather fun to detect at least three-time - just beat with a hand,
on the downbeat; if you find you're beating up-down or in a square, it's
normal four-time, if you're beating in a triangle, it's three!
(There is, 2, 3, a house, 2, 3, in New, 2, 3, Orleans, 2, 3, ...)
My sister tried to explain it to me today, but it didn't resonate. I apparently
listen to music in such a way that there can be no counting of beats.
When you take an instrument, part of your education is the
mechanics of sheet music. You're taught that stuff so you'll
"be on the same wavelength" when playing in a quartet or in
an orchestra.
The director would be mightily pissed, if you didn't know
that Lente was 72 beats per minute. When you take piano,
early on the teacher will use a metronome, and they will
try to get you to play at the correct tempo.
And when learning the concepts of music, you want "bland" compositions
so that the mechanics stand out more. A favorite example for
me, might be this. Because I've had to play this in front
of people a few times. The composition of these was likely simple
on purpose, so even the worst amateur, could hammer one
of these out.
https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/7b/46_Onward_Christian_Soldiers.pdf
You need to absorb a lot of the analysis and theory, before
you can appreciate something like this. Sometimes when you play
a composition, it's in a certain key, and your instructor
will ask you what key that is. Well, try and analyze one of these.
Rachmaninoff
http://youtu.be/rEGOihjqO9w
Absolutely mesmerizing!! Disregarding the phenomenal skill to play
that from memory, the sheer physical stamina to play like that for 35
minutes is remarkable. The orchestra ain't half bad either! ;-)
Post by Paul
She's playing that, without sheet music. I've memorized shorter
sections of Rachmaninoff (I use acoustic memory), and you can tell
he wrote that way, just to annoy the musicians :-) So yes, I appreciate music.
And the more comedic aspects.
Some compositions are "show pieces", to show off how fast
a pianist can play an arpeggio. Other compositions tell
a story or express an emotion.
Some pieces, you can "hear that metronome" through the whole piece.
Although some kinds of music, have poor tempo keeping. Some
musicians can't even keep their bloody instruments tuned. If you have
an ear for that sort of thing, that can be annoying.
Mountain - Mississippi Queen (DON'T look at the vid, just listen...)
http://youtu.be/qEnF6EB-yMs
1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4
https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0040954
Needs more cowbell.
Paul
Post by Char Jackson
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Char Jackson
jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
j***@astraweb.com
2024-05-03 14:29:29 UTC
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If anyone knows how to recreate the desktop icon from an existing installation i would appreciate it.
I already recreated the icon using one of the commandline starts frrom the recently used list. That
one does go to the firefox exe in program files.........
Brian Gregory
2024-05-21 13:30:45 UTC
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Opera does not play nicely with the firefox browser .lnk (icon) on the desktop.
A week or so ago I installed Opera 36.0 on XP looking for a lighter footprint than Firefox.
(It was from the Opera site, and 36 was the last release to support XP - I used Opera's installation
exe)
It installed with no problems and it does what i want it to (play direct- link channels from the 181.FM
website-- it will not display the 181fm GUI try it as a direct entry of a browser URL --
http://listen.livestreamingservice.com/181-classicaljazz_128k.mp3
BUT,
On installation, it also changed the firefox link file to point to OPERA!
I would not have expected such behavior from the Opera website.
I remembered i had a backup of all links on the desktop on my non-windows installation system disk,
DISK D. I went to it and there it was -- BUT it had been changed to point to Opera, as well.
The only way i know of to start Firefox now, is to do a commandline start of the GUI, which i have done
several times now.
It is not like a standard programs icon/.lnk and not like the Firefox icon in win 7(which points to the
installation .exe. For XP, It starts out in Documents and settings but i forget what it executes under
Mozilla/Firefox/.
I also have the seamonkey browser on XP, but it was not changed.
If anyone knows how to recreate the desktop icon from an existing installation i would appreciate it.
How on earth did you manage to post here if you don't even know how to
make a shortcut to a program?
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
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