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File Explorer in Windows 7 Doesn't Default to Details
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C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
2024-06-17 01:39:37 UTC
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How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?

In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
Ralph Fox
2024-06-17 02:34:14 UTC
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Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
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C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
2024-06-17 03:14:56 UTC
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Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
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Kind regards
Ralph Fox
?
They that feal [i. e. hide] can find.
That's exactly where I searched. But that dang All Folders choice is
not there.

I don't get it.
Char Jackson
2024-06-17 04:46:43 UTC
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Post by Ralph Fox
Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
That's exactly where I searched. But that dang All Folders choice is
not there.
I don't get it.
Try this:

While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.

Note that the button is called "Apply to Folders" rather than "All Folders", and
when you get to the View tab it'll be toward the upper right of that tab.
Char Jackson
2024-06-17 04:47:37 UTC
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Post by Ralph Fox
Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
That's exactly where I searched. But that dang All Folders choice is
not there.
I don't get it.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
Note that the button is called "Apply to Folders" rather than "All Folders", and
when you get to the View tab it'll be toward the upper right of that tab.
Correction: toward the upper left of that tab.
C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
2024-06-17 05:45:33 UTC
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Post by Ralph Fox
Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
That's exactly where I searched. But that dang All Folders choice is
not there.
I don't get it.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
Note that the button is called "Apply to Folders" rather than "All Folders", and
when you get to the View tab it'll be toward the upper right of that tab.
Got it!!

I ain't even going to try and explain where I fk'd up.

Excuse me now while I go and pound my fr'kn skull into the wall in the
frontroom for about a 1/2 hour or so.

THANKS to you - and to the others who explained it right but I still
didn't get it.
Ralph Fox
2024-06-17 05:08:03 UTC
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Post by C***@yuppie.yahoo.com
How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
In XP when you choose Details for a folder it asks if you want all
other folders to show the same. In Windows 7. that doesn't happen. I
have to do every individual folder separately.
While viewing the folder in Windows 7's File Explorer
Go to: Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
Then: click the "Apply to Folders" button.
That's exactly where I searched. But that dang All Folders choice is
not there.
Huh? What "All Folders" choice?

1. You choose Details for a folder.
2. Then, you go to Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
3. When you click the "Apply to Folders" button, Win7 applies the
view you set for this folder to all other folders of its type.
This is explained by the text at the top of the "Folder Views"
panel.
4. No fancy-schmancy "All Folders" choice is needed.
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J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-17 06:04:55 UTC
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2024 17:08:03, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> writes
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How do I get File Explorer in Windows 7 to show Details for all folders?
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Post by Ralph Fox
Huh? What "All Folders" choice?
1. You choose Details for a folder.
2. Then, you go to Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
3. When you click the "Apply to Folders" button, Win7 applies the
view you set for this folder to all other folders of its type.
This is explained by the text at the top of the "Folder Views"
panel.
4. No fancy-schmancy "All Folders" choice is needed.
The "of its type" in step 3 rings the warning bell. Can that be
overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
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Java Jive
2024-06-17 11:35:46 UTC
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1.  You choose Details for a folder.
2.  Then, you go to Organize >> Folder and Search Options >> View
3.  When you click the "Apply to Folders" button, Win7 applies the
    view you set for this folder to all other folders of its type.
    This is explained by the text at the top of the "Folder Views"
    panel.
4.  No fancy-schmancy "All Folders" choice is needed.
The "of its type" in step 3 rings the warning bell.
*EXACTLY!!!* The whole problem is that Microsoft have for years by
default used the inefficient, and IMO rather childish, Icon or Tiles
view for everything, whereas most pros that I know prefer the Details
view, because it's ...
* More familiar, being like indexes in books, etc;
* Easier to find a wanted item looking along one dimension not two.
* Contains fuller and important information about each file.
... however they do not supply a one-click-does-it-all way of enforcing
the more professional Details view on everything, so we are forced to
try wearily every folder type possible just to go through the same
rigmarole, and it's a fucking pain in the arse.

An example: In your network folder, click on any machine where you
haven't already chosen Details view, of course it will come up as Tiles
view. Go through the rigmarole above, in detail ...
Choose View, Details
Maybe also choose View, Choose details and adjust the column widths to
give the Comments field more space, I use 250, 250, 400 for the three
columns.
Choose Tools, Folder options, View, Apply to Folders
... which should have applied this view to *ALL* such folders, right?!
Wrong! Choose any other machine on your network where you haven't
already set up your preferences, and it will come up in Tiles.

Another example: When I look at files on my phone, say photos that I've
taken with it, I get a view which gives me useless fields like Track
Number, Artist, and Album.

Our lives would be considerably improved if only Microsoft would stop
trying to cocoon us with its own smothering brand of 'helpfulness' and
allow us to make decisions for ourselves about what is our own, not
Microsoft's, data.

Everything, in any folder on your PC - letters, photos, music, video
- is fundamentally just another file, and the *DEFAULT* view should be
to treat them all just as files. Microsoft shouldn't be trying to guess
when it should be treating some bits of our data differently from other
bits of our data. I don't mind having other possible views available to
others who may find them useful, but I bitterly resent the time I have
to waste with each new build of Windows going through it eliminating all
the useless 'helpfulness' and clutter simply to obtain a professional
look and feel.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Can that be
overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution of
finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the
Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer can
choose !-) Has anyone tried anything similar?
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J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-17 13:22:04 UTC
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In message <v4p72k$ksi5$***@dont-email.me> at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 12:35:46,
Java Jive <***@evij.com.invalid> writes
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Post by Java Jive
Maybe also choose View, Choose details and adjust the column
widths to give the Comments field more space, I use 250, 250, 400 for
the three columns.
(I generally just drag the column header edges.)

Did you know about Alt_grey-plus? The fact that my memory has it as grey
plus shows how old it is: the numeric pad used to be grey.
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Post by Java Jive
Our lives would be considerably improved if only Microsoft would stop
trying to cocoon us with its own smothering brand of 'helpfulness' and
allow us to make decisions for ourselves about what is our own, not
Microsoft's, data.
Indeed. Gets worse (and sometimes more Fisher-Price in colours, too)
with each new Windows. (At least, up to about 8 - I haven't paid a lot
of attention after that.)
Post by Java Jive
Everything, in any folder on your PC - letters, photos, music, video
- is fundamentally just another file, and the *DEFAULT* view should be
to treat them all just as files. Microsoft shouldn't be trying to
guess when it should be treating some bits of our data differently from
other bits of our data. I don't mind having other possible views
available to others who may find them useful, but I bitterly resent the
time I have to waste with each new build of Windows going through it
eliminating all the useless 'helpfulness' and clutter simply to obtain
a professional look and feel.
The thumbnails are conceivably of interest for a folder that's mostly
images.

Perhaps they could have coded a way you tell it what sort of user you
are, from beginner to expert. But then we'd be irritated by what it did
for the various types (in both directions).
Post by Java Jive
Can that be overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution
of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the
Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer
can choose !-) Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
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... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is unlikely to
have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...
Java Jive
2024-06-17 15:41:29 UTC
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[J. P. Gilliver wrote: ]
Can that be  overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution
of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the
Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer
can choose !-)  Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
Well there's this page ...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/understanding-and-setting-windows-file-explorer/7a08cc16-c6cb-4b25-96b8-ce712bae5362

... which recommends some script software called WinSetView ...

https://github.com/LesFerch/WinSetView

... but I've not tried it.

I have just tried deleting the GUIDs for some of the Special Folder
types on this PC, things like Downloads, Music, Photos, etc, and the
folders affected now list like normal folders while nothing has yet
crashed. However, I wasn't originally planning to do that, but rather,
as described above, to just delete all the other possible views rather
than folder types, as I think that will be less functionally disruptive,
but I found a page listing some of the Special Folder GUIDs ...

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/controls/known-folder-guids-for-file-dialog-custom-places?view=netframeworkdesktop-4.8

... while so far I haven't found one listing all the View GUIDs. I
followed the above in the hope that examining a Special Folders registry
entry might contain a key denoting its view, which would then lead me to
where the view registry settings are, but so far I've not found them.

I'm just about to reboot after the above, so let's see what interesting
disasters await me ...
--
Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
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Java Jive
2024-06-17 16:13:49 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
[J. P. Gilliver wrote: ]
Can that be  overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution
of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from
the Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that
Explorer can choose !-)  Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
Well there's this page ...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/understanding-and-setting-windows-file-explorer/7a08cc16-c6cb-4b25-96b8-ce712bae5362
.... which recommends some script software called WinSetView ...
https://github.com/LesFerch/WinSetView
.... but I've not tried it.
I have just tried deleting the GUIDs for some of the Special Folder
types on this PC, things like Downloads, Music, Photos, etc, and the
folders affected now list like normal folders while nothing has yet
crashed.  However, I wasn't originally planning to do that, but rather,
as described above, to just delete all the other possible views rather
than folder types, as I think that will be less functionally disruptive,
but I found a page listing some of the Special Folder GUIDs ...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/controls/known-folder-guids-for-file-dialog-custom-places?view=netframeworkdesktop-4.8
.... while so far I haven't found one listing all the View GUIDs.  I
followed the above in the hope that examining a Special Folders registry
entry might contain a key denoting its view, which would then lead me to
where the view registry settings are, but so far I've not found them.
I'm just about to reboot after the above, so let's see what interesting
disasters await me ...
Apparently none. Here I am with my Explorer views apparently unscathed,
and all the 'Special Folders' that I excised now just display with a
General Items view, but perhaps they would have done anyway, because I'd
already set them up to do so. They still have their individual icons
from their respective folder's Desktop.ini file, but that's about the
only thing that looks different now.

And again, that's another Microsoft illogicality, why should the icon
setting be in an ini file, while everything else is in the Registry? If
they'd just put everything in the Registry and do away with the ini
file, we wouldn't have to see them and ignore on the Desktop after
enabling the "Show hidden files and folders" option!
--
Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
Paul
2024-06-17 17:08:28 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
[J. P. Gilliver wrote: ]
Can that be  overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer can choose !-)  Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
Well there's this page ...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/understanding-and-setting-windows-file-explorer/7a08cc16-c6cb-4b25-96b8-ce712bae5362
.... which recommends some script software called WinSetView ...
https://github.com/LesFerch/WinSetView
.... but I've not tried it.
I have just tried deleting the GUIDs for some of the Special Folder types on this PC, things like Downloads, Music, Photos, etc, and the folders affected now list like normal folders while nothing has yet crashed.  However, I wasn't originally planning to do that, but rather, as described above, to just delete all the other possible views rather than folder types, as I think that will be less functionally disruptive, but I found a page listing some of the Special Folder GUIDs ...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/controls/known-folder-guids-for-file-dialog-custom-places?view=netframeworkdesktop-4.8
.... while so far I haven't found one listing all the View GUIDs.  I followed the above in the hope that examining a Special Folders registry entry might contain a key denoting its view, which would then lead me to where the view registry settings are, but so far I've not found them.
I'm just about to reboot after the above, so let's see what interesting disasters await me ...
Apparently none.  Here I am with my Explorer views apparently unscathed, and all the 'Special Folders' that I excised now just display with a General Items view, but perhaps they would have done anyway, because I'd already set them up to do so.  They still have their individual icons from their respective folder's Desktop.ini file, but that's about the only thing that looks different now.
And again, that's another Microsoft illogicality, why should the icon setting be in an ini file, while everything else is in the Registry?  If they'd just put everything in the Registry and do away with the ini file, we wouldn't have to see them and ignore on the Desktop after enabling the "Show hidden files and folders" option!
I could be mistaken, but my suspicion would be that the desktop.ini
approach was copied from Apple. Certain "features" of Windows, are
slavishly copied (meaning, the things they copied are not good
design), so when analyzing how something works, remember to give
Apple credit when credit is due.

The Shellbags is limited to a static number of items. Say, 7000 folders.
It has an LRU behavior (unused folders, their definition gets tossed out,
to make room for the definition of a new folder). The objective
seems to be, to limit the impact on the particular Registry file size.

To incorporate desktop.ini , it would go from "unlimited" numbers
of desktop.ini files, to "LRU behavior" registry storage. They might
attempt to cap the size impact on the Registry.

Paul
j***@astraweb.com
2024-07-09 21:07:47 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[J. P. Gilliver wrote: ]
Can that be  overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution
of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the
Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer
can choose !-)  Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
Well there's this page ...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/understanding-and-setting-windows-file-explorer/7a08cc16-c6cb-4b25-96b8-ce712bae5362
... which recommends some script software called WinSetView ...
https://github.com/LesFerch/WinSetView
... but I've not tried it.
I have just tried deleting the GUIDs for some of the Special Folder
types on this PC, things like Downloads, Music, Photos, etc, and the
folders affected now list like normal folders while nothing has yet
crashed. However, I wasn't originally planning to do that, but rather,
as described above, to just delete all the other possible views rather
than folder types, as I think that will be less functionally disruptive,
but I found a page listing some of the Special Folder GUIDs ...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/controls/known-folder-guids-for-file-dialog-custom-places?view=netframeworkdesktop-4.8
... while so far I haven't found one listing all the View GUIDs. I
followed the above in the hope that examining a Special Folders registry
entry might contain a key denoting its view, which would then lead me to
where the view registry settings are, but so far I've not found them.
I'm just about to reboot after the above, so let's see what interesting
disasters await me ...
So you have already made the registry changers -- Please let me know how that works out.

I am interested in how you saved your detail changes so that the same format was there the next time you
opened the folder. (I.e., so that you made a permanent change and not a session-only change.)
I have been doing it by closing the folder, with changes, from the top of the window frame (which
works), but I feel there is probably a more elegant way of doing it.

question: How did you do it?

I also found where you could make those changes you had made the template for all folders of that type,
but that is a moot point now. It was through "properties", IIRC. I may use that option when i decode
that the details i have (length and size) are the ones i want for all "music" folders.

You can also override the type of folder Mickeysoft decided it should be, but that appears to be on a
folder-by-folder basis, in my observation at this time.

But my question is: how did you change the folders permanently when you were doing it on a folder by
folder basis?

(win 7 home premium here)
Java Jive
2024-07-09 22:56:56 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[J. P. Gilliver wrote: ]
Can that be  overridden (i. e. applied to all folders)?
Not as far as I know, though I have contemplated the drastic solution
of finding the GUIDs of all the other views and deleting them from the
Registry so that the Details view is the only one left that Explorer
can choose !-)  Has anyone tried anything similar?
Interesting!
Well there's this page ...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/understanding-and-setting-windows-file-explorer/7a08cc16-c6cb-4b25-96b8-ce712bae5362
... which recommends some script software called WinSetView ...
https://github.com/LesFerch/WinSetView
... but I've not tried it.
I have just tried deleting the GUIDs for some of the Special Folder
types on this PC, things like Downloads, Music, Photos, etc, and the
folders affected now list like normal folders while nothing has yet
crashed. However, I wasn't originally planning to do that, but rather,
as described above, to just delete all the other possible views rather
than folder types, as I think that will be less functionally disruptive,
but I found a page listing some of the Special Folder GUIDs ...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/controls/known-folder-guids-for-file-dialog-custom-places?view=netframeworkdesktop-4.8
... while so far I haven't found one listing all the View GUIDs. I
followed the above in the hope that examining a Special Folders registry
entry might contain a key denoting its view, which would then lead me to
where the view registry settings are, but so far I've not found them.
I'm just about to reboot after the above, so let's see what interesting
disasters await me ...
So you have already made the registry changers -- Please let me know how that works out.
It was fine, but I've since had to re-image that PC for other reasons,
so those particular changes have been lost.
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I am interested in how you saved your detail changes so that the same format was there the next time you
opened the folder. (I.e., so that you made a permanent change and not a session-only change.)
I have been doing it by closing the folder, with changes, from the top of the window frame (which
works), but I feel there is probably a more elegant way of doing it.
Tools, Folder Options, View, Apply To Folders. Note that, at least in
Windows 7, this contains a bug whereby if you do it to a normal folder
such as C:\, then the Explorer view of the Desktop and the PC revert to
their defaults, tiled, so you'll have to do them all over again.

I've already mentioned the example of the view of the shares on a
networked machine, for which you can set Details view and then choose
that all such folder will be displayed in this view, but that the very
next networked machine that you click on will still have Tiles by
default, unless you've previously gone through the rigmarole of changing
it already.

It's the same with data on my mobile phone. I choose Details view, and
choose the columns and widths, set to apply to all such folders, but the
very next folder on the same mobile phone will revert to the assumption
that it's a Music folder.

The subfolders My Music, My Videos, My Pictures are completely redundant
because they fail to understand that such a crude division is not
naturally how people view their data. If you attend your cousin's
wedding, you don't want the photos of the ceremony in one folder and the
videos of the speeches and the recording of the band at the reception in
others, most people would want them in the same folder because they're
all part of the same experience.

These are just some of many, many bugs and failures of concept in the
whole system, all of which make a very compelling reason why Microsoft
shouldn't be wasting their and our time trying to second guess things
about our data. They should just give us a space to save it, and then
keep the fuck out out of what is none of their business anyway. :-(

As it is however, I still think the idea of deleting all the views you
don't want potentially the best approach, but I've yet to find a list of
the relevant GUIDs to enable me to work out how to do it.
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j***@astraweb.com
2024-07-10 01:11:07 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
These are just some of many, many bugs and failures of concept in the
whole system, all of which make a very compelling reason why Microsoft
shouldn't be wasting their and our time trying to second guess things
about our data. They should just give us a space to save it, and then
keep the fuck out out of what is none of their business anyway. :-(\
I will keep alll of this in mind.

jim
Newyana2
2024-07-10 00:55:24 UTC
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Post by j***@astraweb.com
But my question is: how did you change the folders permanently when you were doing it on a folder by
folder basis?
(win 7 home premium here)
It's not simple. In XP, Explorer was broken and didn't remember
folder windows unless Registry settings were changed. Starting
with Win7 they broke what was already broken. Win10 is similar to
Win7 but with some minor changes and bugs.

For Win7:

DO THIS WITH NO FOLDERS OPEN:

Delete these keys in HKLM and/or HKCU:

Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

Next, recreate both keys and in each create a dword value "BagMRU Size"
and set it to 5000


Then create, if necessary:

Software\Classes\Local
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell

(Win10 adds another key for generic folders, but you don't have to worry
about that.)

In the Shell key create the following settings:

WFlags dword 0
ShowCmd dword 1
HotKey dword 0

Create a further subkey "Microsoft.Windows.ControlPanel"

Put those same 3 values there. Back in the Shell key, you need to create
4 values to define a rectangle based on left, top, width, height. First
you need to get your screen resolution. Example, all dword:

WinPos1024x768(1).left
WinPos1024x768(1).top
WinPos1024x768(1).bottom
WinPos1024x768(1).right

The differences are the main thing, in order to spec the standard
window size. If you set them to, say, 200, 200, 800, 900 then you'd
define a standard window size of 700pxw x 600pxh

Also in the Shell key, create 2 string values:

FolderType NotSpecified
SniffedFolderType Generic

(That's to stop Windows guessing how to display folders. These settings
give you the same display in all folders.)

Under Shell you now need to create 2 subkeys named
{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}
and
{7d49d726-3c21-4f05-99aa-fdc2c9474656}

Those are the guids for document folders and generic folders.

Both keys need 2 settings named Mode (dword) and Vid (string) to
define the display type. Those two settings control display type as follows:

icons
Mode 1 Vid "{0057D0E0-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
list
Mode 3 Vid "{0E1FA5E0-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
details
Mode 4 Vid "{137E7700-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
tiles
Mode 6 Vid "{65F125E5-7BE1-4810-BA9D-D271C8432CE3}"

If you've deleted the bags and bagmru keys then they'll be repopulated
by using these settings in AllFolders. If you don't delete those keys then
all existing folders will already have their own settings.

Windows 10 is even more of a mess. There are more display options
with less flexibility. Personally I like "icons" view, with 32x32 icons.
That doesn't work on Win10. Small icons are tiny and in list style display.
Medium icons are 48x48. I finally ended up using medium icons but
setting icon size to 33. That works as long as I don't start changing
the display.

This stuff has always been messed up and half broken. It generally
works fairly well on Win7 and 10. 10 is a bit senile, howevr, and
occasionally
forgets. With each Windows version Microsofties fuck it up more than it
was fucked up last time. In no version have they made it work properly.

And it's actually even more ridiculous than it at first seems. For no
good reason, these settings are designed to mimic Win32 API functions.
WFlags corresponds to WINDOWPLACEMENT values. Vid (ViewID)
corresponds to Explorer's FOLDERVIEWMODE enum. And the GUIDs are just
the childish behavior of Microsofties, compulsively making things far more
complicated than they need to be. "Secret Decoder Ring Syndrome".
As in, "I suffer from SDRS. I'm hoping that once I turn 16 I can get laid
and this will go away." :)

All of this probably seems very complicated, but it's not actually too
involved.
If you're nervous you can always export the involved keys before you start,
in case you want to reverse the process. But I've been doing this myself
since WinXP. It drives me crazy to have Windows suddenly decide that I
should have a folder full of images display as giant thumbnails when I
didn't
ask for it.
j***@astraweb.com
2024-07-13 17:10:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Newyana2
Post by j***@astraweb.com
But my question is: how did you change the folders permanently when you were doing it on a folder by
folder basis?
(win 7 home premium here)
It's not simple. In XP, Explorer was broken and didn't remember
folder windows unless Registry settings were changed. Starting
with Win7 they broke what was already broken. Win10 is similar to
Win7 but with some minor changes and bugs.
Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags
Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU
Next, recreate both keys and in each create a dword value "BagMRU Size"
and set it to 5000
Software\Classes\Local
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell
(Win10 adds another key for generic folders, but you don't have to worry
about that.)
WFlags dword 0
ShowCmd dword 1
HotKey dword 0
Create a further subkey "Microsoft.Windows.ControlPanel"
Put those same 3 values there. Back in the Shell key, you need to create
4 values to define a rectangle based on left, top, width, height. First
WinPos1024x768(1).left
WinPos1024x768(1).top
WinPos1024x768(1).bottom
WinPos1024x768(1).right
The differences are the main thing, in order to spec the standard
window size. If you set them to, say, 200, 200, 800, 900 then you'd
define a standard window size of 700pxw x 600pxh
FolderType NotSpecified
SniffedFolderType Generic
(That's to stop Windows guessing how to display folders. These settings
give you the same display in all folders.)
Under Shell you now need to create 2 subkeys named
{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}
and
{7d49d726-3c21-4f05-99aa-fdc2c9474656}
Those are the guids for document folders and generic folders.
Both keys need 2 settings named Mode (dword) and Vid (string) to
icons
Mode 1 Vid "{0057D0E0-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
list
Mode 3 Vid "{0E1FA5E0-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
details
Mode 4 Vid "{137E7700-3573-11CF-AE69-08002B2E1262}"
tiles
Mode 6 Vid "{65F125E5-7BE1-4810-BA9D-D271C8432CE3}"
If you've deleted the bags and bagmru keys then they'll be repopulated
by using these settings in AllFolders. If you don't delete those keys then
all existing folders will already have their own settings.
Windows 10 is even more of a mess. There are more display options
with less flexibility. Personally I like "icons" view, with 32x32 icons.
That doesn't work on Win10. Small icons are tiny and in list style display.
Medium icons are 48x48. I finally ended up using medium icons but
setting icon size to 33. That works as long as I don't start changing
the display.
This stuff has always been messed up and half broken. It generally
works fairly well on Win7 and 10. 10 is a bit senile, howevr, and
occasionally
forgets. With each Windows version Microsofties fuck it up more than it
was fucked up last time. In no version have they made it work properly.
And it's actually even more ridiculous than it at first seems. For no
good reason, these settings are designed to mimic Win32 API functions.
WFlags corresponds to WINDOWPLACEMENT values. Vid (ViewID)
corresponds to Explorer's FOLDERVIEWMODE enum. And the GUIDs are just
the childish behavior of Microsofties, compulsively making things far more
complicated than they need to be. "Secret Decoder Ring Syndrome".
As in, "I suffer from SDRS. I'm hoping that once I turn 16 I can get laid
and this will go away." :)
All of this probably seems very complicated, but it's not actually too
involved.
If you're nervous you can always export the involved keys before you start,
in case you want to reverse the process. But I've been doing this myself
since WinXP. It drives me crazy to have Windows suddenly decide that I
should have a folder full of images display as giant thumbnails when I
didn't
ask for it.
Thanks.

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