Youtube-DL - Youtube has started throttling the download of videos!!

[Mayayana]

"konda" <***@gmail.com> wrote

| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
you use YouTube-DL software?
|

I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.

People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.
So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.

Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
videos! Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
know for sure.

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Post by Mayayana
People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.

it hasn't been updated in months

Post by Mayayana
So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.

time to upgrade.

Post by Mayayana
Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
videos!

no id is needed.

Post by Mayayana
Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
know for sure.

it does not.

[Peter Jason]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:52:23 -0400, "Mayayana"

Post by Mayayana
| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
you use YouTube-DL software?
|
I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.
People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.
So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.
Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
videos! Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
know for sure.

I have been banned from commenting on youTube videos because "I've not
adhered to their guidelines"; I'm automatically transferred to their
voluminous guidelines pages - all as verbose as the bible - and they
won't tell where I have transgressed! I have contacted them but all I
get is a referral to their guidelines!

[John K.Eason]

*Date:* Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:52:23 -0400
| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the
downloads when you use YouTube-DL software?
|
I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.

I've never used it TBH. I use 4K Video Downloader which allows 30 free daily
downloads. Just copy and paste the URL into the 4K window and it shows a list of
different video qualities. Click the one you want and away it goes.
https://www.4kdownload.com/howto/howto-download-youtube-video?source=videodownloader
or https://tinyurl.com/3ab3n32f if the link gets broken.

[Mayayana]

"John K.Eason" <***@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk> wrote

| I've never used it TBH. I use 4K Video Downloader which allows 30 free
daily
| downloads. Just copy and paste the URL into the 4K window and it shows a
list of
| different video qualities. Click the one you want and away it goes.

Nothing fishy with it? I downloaded that today, but it's
made in Russia and I was hesitant to actually try it. I also
need something that works on XP. youtube-dl does.
yt-dlp does not. 4K might, but it has massive dependencies.
The ZIP alone is 90 MB!

[Paul]

Post by Mayayana
| I've never used it TBH. I use 4K Video Downloader which allows 30 free
daily
| downloads. Just copy and paste the URL into the 4K window and it shows a
list of
| different video qualities. Click the one you want and away it goes.
Nothing fishy with it? I downloaded that today, but it's
made in Russia and I was hesitant to actually try it. I also
need something that works on XP. youtube-dl does.
yt-dlp does not. 4K might, but it has massive dependencies.
The ZIP alone is 90 MB!

That's a sign it's a QT app.

The Ice Cream company in Cyprus does applications
that way, and they're ponderously large.

When you unpack the ZIP, it should be relatively
easy to see where the "weight" comes from.

Some video tools, they use the services of FFMPEG, and
a statically compiled FFMPEG can be 35MB. But that's honest
to goodness "meat", as there are a ton of libraries inside
FFMPEG.

You can see it's cross-platform, so odds are, that is QT.
There is at least one other platform like that (not referring
to Java).

https://www.videohelp.com/software/4K-Video-Downloader/old-versions

The newest version has "Qt5WebEngineCore.dll" 97,525,352 bytes, inside.
Pretty over the top for a DLL.

The Wikipedia article for the product, happens to have a link
to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_YouTube_downloaders

Paul

[Mayayana]

"Paul" <***@needed.invalid> wrote

| > The ZIP alone is 90 MB!
|
| That's a sign it's a QT app.
|

Yes. The other pandemic. Python, Qt, and the various
other "cross-platform" wrappers. Also there's opengl in
there. But the EXE alone is 50 MB unpacked. Maybe it's
a player as well as a downloader.

| The Wikipedia article for the product, happens to have a link
| to this.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_YouTube_downloaders
|

That's where I got the idea to check it out. Their
page didn't have much else worth looking at. Two of
them were webpages that would require script.

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Post by Mayayana
Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
you
use YouTube-DL software?

they've been doing that for roughly a month.

IIRC, longer than that but less frequent.

it did, but was rare, and restarting it went full speed. now that no
longer happens. it's always throttled.

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[Bill]

Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you
use YouTube-DL software?

they've been doing that for roughly a month.

I haven't noticed. But then I'm still using XP with the old FFx
version 52.9 non ESR nonsense.
I use the latest 3d youtube downloader.
I do not see commercials with this setup. I'm going to keep it this
way.
I just downloaded two long videos with no problems.

It really irked me when YouTube upped the number of ads they were
showing, so I recently started giving them $10.99/mo for no ads.
They say they still need to pay the creators, so it seems fair enough.
98% of what I stream is from their platform, so that's my new "cable
bill". Of course, they have a lot of content which is advertising in
disguise, but you watch that stuff by choice. Not seeing the ads is
better for my health! : ) If I log out of YouTube and start a video, I
quickly realize I made a good choice when the ad starts playing. YMMV.

[Bill]

Post by Bill

Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you
use YouTube-DL software?

they've been doing that for roughly a month.

I haven't noticed. But then I'm still using XP with the old FFx
version 52.9 non ESR nonsense.
I use the latest 3d youtube downloader.
I do not see commercials with this setup. I'm going to keep it this
way.
I just downloaded two long videos with no problems.

It really irked me when YouTube upped the number of ads they were
showing, so I recently started giving them $10.99/mo for no ads.
They say they still need to pay the creators, so it seems fair enough.
98% of what I stream is from their platform, so that's my new "cable
bill". Of course, they have a lot of content which is advertising in
disguise, but you watch that stuff by choice. Not seeing the ads is
better for my health!  : )  If I log out of YouTube and start a video, I
quickly realize I made a good choice when the ad starts playing. YMMV.

Exactly how I feel. And $13.99/month is a cheap cable bill. I don't
begrudge them that.

[Mayayana]

"NY" <***@privacy.invalid> wrote

| It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people
| watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.
|

It's by design, not only to show ads but also to make the videos
themselves into ads. For example, SNL seems to post outtakes
from their show to get the gossip mill going, but then they take
them down later and they can only be seen on their netwrok website.
NBC, ABC, or whatever it is.

[Paul]

Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you use YouTube-DL software?

I sometimes use WinX Youtube Downloader and I noticed it was throttling to about 0.04% of 1 Gbps or 400 bits/second.
But they have produced a new update to the program (V5.9 rather than V5.8 which I had before) which fixes this - until Youtube find a way round it.
It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.

The YTDL version doesn't necessarily have the Google adverts in it.
That's a loss of "revenue".

As for the method, the download tools can do:

Byte range
0-100000 \
100000-200000 \
200000-300000 \
300000-400000 \___ The downloader can open seven connections, and even if
400000-500000 / a connection is limited, this way they get 7x the limit.
500000-600000 /
600000-700000 / Servers can limit the number of connections as well
as the bandwidth per connection.

If John and Mary are in the same house, and using Youtube at the
same time, the IP address of the requests is the same for both of them.
The server then, has a problem in that, if it is "careless", either John
or Mary might not get the service they expected.

If each client is carefully labeled enough, then the server might be
able to police John and Mary to one connection each (such as might
be used by the video player). But even their video player might
use byte ranges, so the mode likely still exists.

There are a few degrees of freedom to the problem, of policing
without screwing up the service. But if done right, then all
those users out there get to enjoy endless Grammerly adverts :-)

Worst case, a YTDL should still be able to capture at 1X.
So a 60 minute movie, takes 60 minutes to capture.
That's the ideal state from Googles perspective, even
if the adverts aren't mixed in.

They can't practically mux the adverts into the vid,
because that takes work. It's easier (especially on my news sites
here), to play the advert as a separate video, so you can rotate them
willy-nilly and a client sees the same advert less often. That's if
they have enough adverts to serve. Most users are sad pandas, if
the same stinking Grammerly advert plays over and over again.

Paul

[David E. Ross]

Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you use YouTube-DL software?

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
ClipGrab 3.9.7
yt-dlp 2021.10.10

Today, I downloaded several music files from YouTube. Files that would
take 15 or more minutes to play each downloaded in a minute or less.

yt-dlp is a "fork" of youtube-dl. I believe the latter is no longer
being maintained.