c***@bs.com
2024-06-18 22:44:28 UTC
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c***@bs.com
2024-06-18 23:11:40 UTC
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
insist it be the default?
Auric__
2024-06-18 23:52:35 UTC
Post by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
--
Oh, election year. Is there anyone you can't make dumb?
Oh, election year. Is there anyone you can't make dumb?
c***@bs.com
2024-06-19 00:51:16 UTC
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
JJ
2024-06-19 04:55:58 UTC
Post by c***@bs.com
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
If with Windows 11, it locks the default browser to Edge.On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
Don't know if it still does it or not, though.
Paul
2024-06-19 05:06:58 UTC
Post by c***@bs.com
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
That's a rather large download.On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
https://staticcdn.duckduckgo.com/d5c04536-5379-4709-8d19-d13fdd456ff6/0.83.1.0/DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Name: DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Size: 898,246,025 bytes (856 MiB) (The size of about 16 browsers)
SHA256: 1079C0993F9006EF5BCDBEE5D34684A1F4E4EFF7C2D787B88FC682D12B3B96D1
AV scan 2473 files, clean.
There is a 400 meg x86 and a 400 meg x64 .msix installer inside. I check
download files like this with 7ZIP file manager.
[Picture]
Loading Image...
The msedge.dll is how they get the "Blink Engine" (Chrome). If installing
on W10 or W11, then the file would already be on the C: drive
(five times). Having it onboard, ensures they have a copy (to install)
if they can't detect a copy already on board. Webview2 is likely
used by other applications already on W10 or W11.
winget.exe install some.msix # sideload a Metro App, without Microsoft Store.
# Presumably for a universal app on W10 or W11.
And there is this.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/msix-core-is-now-available/ba-p/1070885
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/msix-core/msixcore
What is MSIX Core?
MSIX Core enables the installation of MSIX apps on previous
versions of Windows, provided that the apps are already built
to work on those versions of Windows. MSIX Core is built for
the following Windows versions that don't currently natively support MSIX:
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 8.1
Currently supported Windows Server (with Desktop Experience)
Windows 10 versions prior to 1709
The file manifest somewhere in the package, has XML and text that
indicates "6.1.xxx" is supported. That sort of thing would indicate
legacy support during the build. W10 or Wll would be "10.0.xxx"
kind of thing.
The Asset section has downloads. I was unable to find another asset with a later version number.
If you can't figure out how to install it, I'd try adding one of the MSI that best fits your machine.
Maybe the DDG package already has the assets needed, but you can keep this for future reference.
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/tag/MSIX-Core-1.1-release
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgr.zip
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x64.msi
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x86.msi
It could be a UWP, and with msix packaging instead of the older .msi method.
Paul
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-19 07:19:53 UTC
In message <v4tp1k$1qdmm$***@dont-email.me> at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:06:58,
Paul <***@needed.invalid> writes
[]
Presumably MSIX is a downgraded version of MSI, similar to DOCX and XLSX
versions of doc and xls. Presumably - if they've bothered to justify it
at all - justified on security grounds: that's the default excuse for
more or less anything, especially from Microsoft, these days.
Should we 7 users get this "MSIX Core", on the assumption that there'll
be a time we need it - or is it more likely that "apps [that] are
already built to work on those versions of Windows" will actually come
with a MSI file anyway (if they've chosen that method, rather than .exe,
of installing at all)?
Paul <***@needed.invalid> writes
[]
Post by Paul
That's a rather large download.
https://staticcdn.duckduckgo.com/d5c04536-5379-4709-8d19-d13fdd456ff6/0.
83.1.0/DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Name: DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Size: 898,246,025 bytes (856 MiB) (The size of about 16 browsers)
SHA256: 1079C0993F9006EF5BCDBEE5D34684A1F4E4EFF7C2D787B88FC682D12B3B96D1
Yes, more than a CDs worth!That's a rather large download.
https://staticcdn.duckduckgo.com/d5c04536-5379-4709-8d19-d13fdd456ff6/0.
83.1.0/DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Name: DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Size: 898,246,025 bytes (856 MiB) (The size of about 16 browsers)
SHA256: 1079C0993F9006EF5BCDBEE5D34684A1F4E4EFF7C2D787B88FC682D12B3B96D1
Post by Paul
AV scan 2473 files, clean.
There is a 400 meg x86 and a 400 meg x64 .msix installer inside. I check
download files like this with 7ZIP file manager.
[]AV scan 2473 files, clean.
There is a 400 meg x86 and a 400 meg x64 .msix installer inside. I check
download files like this with 7ZIP file manager.
Post by Paul
And there is this.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/msix-core-is-
now-available/ba-p/1070885
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/msix-core/msixcore
What is MSIX Core?
MSIX Core enables the installation of MSIX apps on previous
versions of Windows, provided that the apps are already built
to work on those versions of Windows. MSIX Core is built for
Windows 7 SP1
[]And there is this.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/msix-core-is-
now-available/ba-p/1070885
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/msix-core/msixcore
What is MSIX Core?
MSIX Core enables the installation of MSIX apps on previous
versions of Windows, provided that the apps are already built
to work on those versions of Windows. MSIX Core is built for
Windows 7 SP1
Presumably MSIX is a downgraded version of MSI, similar to DOCX and XLSX
versions of doc and xls. Presumably - if they've bothered to justify it
at all - justified on security grounds: that's the default excuse for
more or less anything, especially from Microsoft, these days.
Should we 7 users get this "MSIX Core", on the assumption that there'll
be a time we need it - or is it more likely that "apps [that] are
already built to work on those versions of Windows" will actually come
with a MSI file anyway (if they've chosen that method, rather than .exe,
of installing at all)?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... the closest thing the movies have ever got to a human special effect.
- Barry Norman on Arnold Schwarzenegger (RT 2014/9/27-10/3)
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... the closest thing the movies have ever got to a human special effect.
- Barry Norman on Arnold Schwarzenegger (RT 2014/9/27-10/3)
Paul
2024-06-19 14:20:04 UTC
Should we 7 users get this "MSIX Core", on the assumption that there'll be a time we need it - or is it more likely that "apps [that] are already built to work on those versions of Windows" will actually come with a MSI file anyway (if they've chosen that method, rather than .exe, of installing at all)?
Some day it will be a collectors item, and worth 5p :-)*******
https://blog.juriba.com/msix-why-enterprises-arent-yet-banking-on-the-future-of-app-packaging
"Microsoft has been touting MSIX for two years now and despite the
tremendous benefits the new packaging format brings, it seems like
neither software vendors or end-user enterprises have really embraced it yet."
"Just the novelty of a square wheel, should have you convinced"
I have a copy on disk, unused presumably.
Paul
Newyana2
2024-06-19 16:34:20 UTC
Post by Paul
"Microsoft has been touting MSIX for two years now and despite the
tremendous benefits the new packaging format brings, it seems like
neither software vendors or end-user enterprises have really embraced it yet."
The same was true with MSIs. They're meant to standardize installs,"Microsoft has been touting MSIX for two years now and despite the
tremendous benefits the new packaging format brings, it seems like
neither software vendors or end-user enterprises have really embraced it yet."
but it's monstrously complex. Also, some software developers don't like
their installers being able to be dismantled. I've even seen MSIs
that just unpack a traditional installer to TEMP.
The result is that MSIs are typically used by big companies
who put both MSI and EXE on their download page. The former
is for corporate admins who want the MSI functionality and/or
do whatever MS tells them to do.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-19 17:15:33 UTC
Post by Paul
(-:! [And I always thought you were in US. 5p suggests UK!] Yes, fromPost by J. P. Gilliver
Should we 7 users get this "MSIX Core", on the assumption that
there'll be a time we need it - or is it more likely that "apps [that]
are already built to work on those versions of Windows" will actually
come with a MSI file anyway (if they've chosen that method, rather
than .exe, of installing at all)?
Some day it will be a collectors item, and worth 5p :-)Should we 7 users get this "MSIX Core", on the assumption that
there'll be a time we need it - or is it more likely that "apps [that]
are already built to work on those versions of Windows" will actually
come with a MSI file anyway (if they've chosen that method, rather
than .exe, of installing at all)?
what you say subsequently, I don't think I'll bother with it!
Post by Paul
*******
https://blog.juriba.com/msix-why-enterprises-arent-yet-banking-on-the-fu
ture-of-app-packaging
"Microsoft has been touting MSIX for two years now and despite the
tremendous benefits the new packaging format brings, it seems like
Other than security matters (and I'm always dubious about those -*******
https://blog.juriba.com/msix-why-enterprises-arent-yet-banking-on-the-fu
ture-of-app-packaging
"Microsoft has been touting MSIX for two years now and despite the
tremendous benefits the new packaging format brings, it seems like
practicing safe hex and running Windows 7 I think keeps me fairly immune
- famous last words, I know), what are these "tremendous benefits"?
Post by Paul
neither software vendors or end-user enterprises have really embraced it yet."
"Just the novelty of a square wheel, should have you convinced"
Indeed!neither software vendors or end-user enterprises have really embraced it yet."
"Just the novelty of a square wheel, should have you convinced"
(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 14:55:38 UTC
Post by Paul
https://staticcdn.duckduckgo.com/d5c04536-5379-4709-8d19-d13fdd456ff6/0.83.1.0/DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Name: DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Size: 898,246,025 bytes (856 MiB) (The size of about 16 browsers)
SHA256: 1079C0993F9006EF5BCDBEE5D34684A1F4E4EFF7C2D787B88FC682D12B3B96D1
AV scan 2473 files, clean.
There is a 400 meg x86 and a 400 meg x64 .msix installer inside. I check
download files like this with 7ZIP file manager.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/J4Nq19rx/duckduckgo-browser-engine.gif
The msedge.dll is how they get the "Blink Engine" (Chrome). If installing
on W10 or W11, then the file would already be on the C: drive
(five times). Having it onboard, ensures they have a copy (to install)
if they can't detect a copy already on board. Webview2 is likely
used by other applications already on W10 or W11.
winget.exe install some.msix # sideload a Metro App, without Microsoft Store.
# Presumably for a universal app on W10 or W11.
And there is this.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/msix-core-is-now-available/ba-p/1070885
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/msix-core/msixcore
What is MSIX Core?
MSIX Core enables the installation of MSIX apps on previous
versions of Windows, provided that the apps are already built
to work on those versions of Windows. MSIX Core is built for
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 8.1
Currently supported Windows Server (with Desktop Experience)
Windows 10 versions prior to 1709
The file manifest somewhere in the package, has XML and text that
indicates "6.1.xxx" is supported. That sort of thing would indicate
legacy support during the build. W10 or Wll would be "10.0.xxx"
kind of thing.
The Asset section has downloads. I was unable to find another asset with a later version number.
If you can't figure out how to install it, I'd try adding one of the MSI that best fits your machine.
Maybe the DDG package already has the assets needed, but you can keep this for future reference.
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/tag/MSIX-Core-1.1-release
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgr.zip
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x64.msi
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x86.msi
It could be a UWP, and with msix packaging instead of the older .msi method.
Paul
That is not "large". That's insanely "large".Post by c***@bs.com
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
That's a rather large download.On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
https://staticcdn.duckduckgo.com/d5c04536-5379-4709-8d19-d13fdd456ff6/0.83.1.0/DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Name: DuckDuckGo_0.83.1.0.msixbundle
Size: 898,246,025 bytes (856 MiB) (The size of about 16 browsers)
SHA256: 1079C0993F9006EF5BCDBEE5D34684A1F4E4EFF7C2D787B88FC682D12B3B96D1
AV scan 2473 files, clean.
There is a 400 meg x86 and a 400 meg x64 .msix installer inside. I check
download files like this with 7ZIP file manager.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/J4Nq19rx/duckduckgo-browser-engine.gif
The msedge.dll is how they get the "Blink Engine" (Chrome). If installing
on W10 or W11, then the file would already be on the C: drive
(five times). Having it onboard, ensures they have a copy (to install)
if they can't detect a copy already on board. Webview2 is likely
used by other applications already on W10 or W11.
winget.exe install some.msix # sideload a Metro App, without Microsoft Store.
# Presumably for a universal app on W10 or W11.
And there is this.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/msix-core-is-now-available/ba-p/1070885
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/msix-core/msixcore
What is MSIX Core?
MSIX Core enables the installation of MSIX apps on previous
versions of Windows, provided that the apps are already built
to work on those versions of Windows. MSIX Core is built for
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 8.1
Currently supported Windows Server (with Desktop Experience)
Windows 10 versions prior to 1709
The file manifest somewhere in the package, has XML and text that
indicates "6.1.xxx" is supported. That sort of thing would indicate
legacy support during the build. W10 or Wll would be "10.0.xxx"
kind of thing.
The Asset section has downloads. I was unable to find another asset with a later version number.
If you can't figure out how to install it, I'd try adding one of the MSI that best fits your machine.
Maybe the DDG package already has the assets needed, but you can keep this for future reference.
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/tag/MSIX-Core-1.1-release
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgr.zip
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x64.msi
https://github.com/microsoft/msix-packaging/releases/download/MSIX-Core-1.1-release/msixmgrSetup-1.1.0.0-x86.msi
It could be a UWP, and with msix packaging instead of the older .msi method.
Paul
Paul
2024-06-19 16:07:15 UTC
True.
Here are the experimental results.
Win7 MSIXMgr FAIL Metadata does not say to install (not a Win7 program)
Win10 MSIXMgr FAIL Windows 10 does not allow MSIXMgr to install (protocol switched off)
Win10 Internal PASS Right click msixbundle, it will Install
The browser results can be seen here.
[Picture]
Loading Image...
Notice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
Terminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
Here are the experimental results.
Win7 MSIXMgr FAIL Metadata does not say to install (not a Win7 program)
Win10 MSIXMgr FAIL Windows 10 does not allow MSIXMgr to install (protocol switched off)
Win10 Internal PASS Right click msixbundle, it will Install
The browser results can be seen here.
[Picture]
Loading Image...
Notice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
Terminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
c***@bs.com
2024-06-19 16:45:25 UTC
Post by Paul
True.
Here are the experimental results.
Win7 MSIXMgr FAIL Metadata does not say to install (not a Win7 program)
Win10 MSIXMgr FAIL Windows 10 does not allow MSIXMgr to install (protocol switched off)
Win10 Internal PASS Right click msixbundle, it will Install
The browser results can be seen here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/s2931wN5/Duck-duck-go-browser-experiment.gif
Notice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
Terminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
It sounds like so much fun. The thing is an incredible faux pas on theTrue.
Here are the experimental results.
Win7 MSIXMgr FAIL Metadata does not say to install (not a Win7 program)
Win10 MSIXMgr FAIL Windows 10 does not allow MSIXMgr to install (protocol switched off)
Win10 Internal PASS Right click msixbundle, it will Install
The browser results can be seen here.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/s2931wN5/Duck-duck-go-browser-experiment.gif
Notice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
Terminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
part of DuckDuckGo. It has to destroy any faith in the search engine
itself .It has for me. I'm going to use Startpage from now on.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-19 17:19:40 UTC
In message <v4uvnl$220mo$***@dont-email.me> at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:07:15,
Paul <***@needed.invalid> writes
[]
3.1 days: one of the criticisms of Netscape was that it took so long to
start - but that was only because IE, being then so (it was claimed, and
later disproved of course!) integrated into the OS, loaded at boot time,
thus prolonging boot time.
I'll be loading this DDG browser; Chrome and Firefox suffice. (With a
healthy hosts file [which makes lots of sites think I have an
ad-blocker, which I don't].)
Paul <***@needed.invalid> writes
[]
Post by Paul
Notice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
That reminds me of back in the - not sure whether it was Windows 95 orNotice also (use Task Manager), that DDG browser loads itself
at boot time, and DDG browser stays resident when you close
the window. These are MSEdge techniques (same feature set).
3.1 days: one of the criticisms of Netscape was that it took so long to
start - but that was only because IE, being then so (it was claimed, and
later disproved of course!) integrated into the OS, loaded at boot time,
thus prolonging boot time.
Post by Paul
Terminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
Always good to know where to find the flame-thrower! But don't thinkTerminating DDG main process, causes the WebView2 helpers to terminate.
You can kill it with fire.
Paul
I'll be loading this DDG browser; Chrome and Firefox suffice. (With a
healthy hosts file [which makes lots of sites think I have an
ad-blocker, which I don't].)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23
j***@astraweb.com
2024-07-08 19:57:34 UTC
Post by c***@bs.com
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
It may have been me.On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
I installed the highest possible opera browser on an old XP machine and it rewrote the firefox shortcut
to be directed to opera though it did not change the icon. I thought it highly disingenuous.
There was another not-so-popular mozilla gecko browser on that machine named "Seamonkey" that it did not
mess with. I am pretty sure i previously had Firefox as the default browser on that machine.
jack
J. P. Gilliver
2024-07-08 20:22:35 UTC
In message <***@4ax.com> at Mon, 8 Jul
2024 15:57:34, ***@astraweb.com writes
[]
run, or just during installation?
John
2024 15:57:34, ***@astraweb.com writes
[]
Post by j***@astraweb.com
It may have been me.
I installed the highest possible opera browser on an old XP machine and
it rewrote the firefox shortcut
to be directed to opera though it did not change the icon. I thought it highly disingenuous.
There was another not-so-popular mozilla gecko browser on that machine
named "Seamonkey" that it did not
mess with. I am pretty sure i previously had Firefox as the default browser on that machine.
Very sneaky/disingenous indeed! Did it do this nefarious thing wheneverIt may have been me.
I installed the highest possible opera browser on an old XP machine and
it rewrote the firefox shortcut
to be directed to opera though it did not change the icon. I thought it highly disingenuous.
There was another not-so-popular mozilla gecko browser on that machine
named "Seamonkey" that it did not
mess with. I am pretty sure i previously had Firefox as the default browser on that machine.
run, or just during installation?
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush.
It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.
-Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush.
It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.
-Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
j***@astraweb.com
2024-07-10 00:59:18 UTC
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Very sneaky/disingenous indeed! Did it do this nefarious thing whenever
run, or just during installation?
Just during installation. I got it straightened out in a day or two.Very sneaky/disingenous indeed! Did it do this nefarious thing whenever
run, or just during installation?
jim
c***@mercerd.net
2024-07-08 21:40:37 UTC
Post by j***@astraweb.com
I installed the highest possible opera browser on an old XP machine and it rewrote the firefox shortcut
to be directed to opera though it did not change the icon. I thought it highly disingenuous.
There was another not-so-popular mozilla gecko browser on that machine named "Seamonkey" that it did not
mess with. I am pretty sure i previously had Firefox as the default browser on that machine.
jack
I use The Duck on both my XP and Windows 7 machine with no problem.Post by c***@bs.com
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
It may have been me.On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:52:35 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Post by Auric__
it'll stop asking.
I thought I had read in one of the groups someone complaining thatPost by c***@bs.com
Can I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
All browsers want to be the default browser. You can tell it to shut up andCan I still have my Firefox functional, or does the DuckDuckGo browser
insist it be the default?
it'll stop asking.
some browser or other insisted on being the only one installed on his
computer.
It might sound ridiculous, but who knows in this day and age?
I installed the highest possible opera browser on an old XP machine and it rewrote the firefox shortcut
to be directed to opera though it did not change the icon. I thought it highly disingenuous.
There was another not-so-popular mozilla gecko browser on that machine named "Seamonkey" that it did not
mess with. I am pretty sure i previously had Firefox as the default browser on that machine.
jack
JJ
2024-06-19 04:55:54 UTC
Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 14:54:25 UTC
Post by JJ
Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
That humongous size threw me too.Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
I gave up on even thinking about that program.
c***@bs.com
2024-06-19 15:41:25 UTC
Post by m***@invalid.com
I gave up on even thinking about that program.
You and me both. The size alone tells me it has to be more than aPost by JJ
Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
That humongous size threw me too.Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
I gave up on even thinking about that program.
simple browser. It has also convinced me to find another search engine
besides the Duck one. I no longer trust them.
Paul
2024-06-19 16:18:33 UTC
Post by c***@bs.com
simple browser. It has also convinced me to find another search engine
besides the Duck one. I no longer trust them.
I agree it has a weight problem, but I would notPost by m***@invalid.com
I gave up on even thinking about that program.
You and me both. The size alone tells me it has to be more than aPost by JJ
Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
That humongous size threw me too.Jeez! Windows binary is 857MB! A record breaking bloat.
Claiming that it doesn't track you, is a stretch.
PS) based on how it was distributed, it's for Windows 10+ only, because the
download is served as `.appinstaller` file. But even if it's served as
something else usable in pre Windows 10, the web browser core Chromium
itself won't run in pre Windows 10. Unless the browser version is old enough
to use Chromium version which can still run in pre Windows 10.
I gave up on even thinking about that program.
simple browser. It has also convinced me to find another search engine
besides the Duck one. I no longer trust them.
give up on the website itself. A few companies have
tried their hand at <cough> "home-made" browsers, with
about the same result. Even Microsoft has fallen into
this trap (their ChromEdge).
I would guess the reason it has Webview2 material packed
with it, would be for Germany, where the version of
Windows 10 might have the entire MSEdge folder missing.
As otherwise, if the target is only W10/W11, those
already have Webview2 onboard. I doubt DDG got access to
source for the Webview2 helper.
Paul
wasbit
2024-06-19 08:37:13 UTC
Won't run on Windows 8.1 (or lower).
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Regards
wasbit
Regards
wasbit
Kerr-Mudd, John
2024-06-19 10:08:04 UTC
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:13 +0100
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Daniel70
2024-06-19 14:00:00 UTC
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:13 +0100
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
To be fair, I've read somewhere that that 800MB Download is actually twoOn Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:13 +0100
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
versions of DDG, 32-bit and 64-bit, but even so .................??
--
Daniel
Daniel
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 14:57:45 UTC
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:08:04 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
talking about computer stuff.
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:13 +0100
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
Really? I always heard bigger was better - but I guess they weren'tOn Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:13 +0100
Excellent - I dont want an 800M browser!
talking about computer stuff.
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 14:56:35 UTC
I'm still on XP and Windows 7. Two different machines.
Kerr-Mudd, John
2024-06-19 15:32:39 UTC
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:56:35 -0500
(mostly) works on XP.
Post by m***@invalid.com
I'm still on XP and Windows 7. Two different machines.
Even MyPal (68.14.2) is c.60M (though NB not 800M) these days. But itI'm still on XP and Windows 7. Two different machines.
(mostly) works on XP.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 23:06:44 UTC
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:32:39 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
quite a few sites block my XP.
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:56:35 -0500
(mostly) works on XP.
That's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 becauseOn Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:56:35 -0500
Post by m***@invalid.com
I'm still on XP and Windows 7. Two different machines.
Even MyPal (68.14.2) is c.60M (though NB not 800M) these days. But itI'm still on XP and Windows 7. Two different machines.
(mostly) works on XP.
quite a few sites block my XP.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-20 07:54:22 UTC
In message <***@4ax.com> at Wed, 19 Jun
2024 18:06:44, ***@invalid.com writes
[]
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
some sort of test. )-:
2024 18:06:44, ***@invalid.com writes
[]
Post by m***@invalid.com
That's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
Does fiddling the user string (I think that's what it's called) noThat's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
some sort of test. )-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in
silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in
silencing mankind. -John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in
silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in
silencing mankind. -John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-20 14:08:59 UTC
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 08:54:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I have no idea what what you mean as to "user string".[]
Post by m***@invalid.com
That's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
Does fiddling the user string (I think that's what it's called) noThat's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
Paul
2024-06-20 19:53:13 UTC
Post by m***@invalid.com
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 08:54:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent/On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 08:54:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I have no idea what what you mean as to "user string".[]
Post by m***@invalid.com
That's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
Does fiddling the user string (I think that's what it's called) noThat's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36
(KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/126.0.0.0 # MSEdge
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 # Seamonkey
Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:126.0) # Bash Firefox
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/126.0
For the last browser, "about:support" reports the display is actually
Window Protocol xwayland
and an older version of Firefox doesn't even report that information.
*******
In Firefox, in "about:config", create a new item in the preferences.
general.useragent.override STRING KrustyTheClown
restart the browser and retest above. Their website could resort to
functional testing, verifying the Javascript engine version or
similar things, to "compute" what the browser is.
The UserAgent is not the only way to identify a browser. That's
why the browsers fabricate their identity, to functional equivalents.
*******
The browser across the way (https://apps.kde.org/konqueror/) reports:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36
(KHTML, like Gecko) QtWebEngine/5.15.16 Chrome/87.0.4280.144
Safari/537.36 Konqueror (WebEngine)
and it appears to use a QT5 web engine (so the browser could
be cross-platform, if we could find the Windows version of it).
You need scatology to figure out what that is.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive,"
Paul
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-20 21:20:28 UTC
Post by Paul
I thought as I was typing it, that I hadn't got it quite right - "agent"Post by m***@invalid.com
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 08:54:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 08:54:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I have no idea what what you mean as to "user string".[]
Post by m***@invalid.com
That's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
Does fiddling the user string (I think that's what it's called) noThat's where I use mine, too. I concurrently use Windows 7 because
quite a few sites block my XP.
longer work? I know some sites now ignore that string but instead do
I'm one of the ignorant who pretty much knows only how to turn on a
PC and hope it does it's thingy by itself.
not "string".
It's basically a string of characters that the browser returns to any
website that asks for it. By default, it tells the truth about what
browser you're using (and usually what version of Windows - or whatever
- you're using it under). However, it was found it was possible to
"fake" a browser by setting a different browser string - so that, for
example, you could fool a web page by setting a different browser
string, so the web site thought you were running Internet Explorer when
you were really running Netscape, or vice versa. Why would you want to?
Well, some websites gave you different content - or wouldn't talk to you
at all - if you weren't using the browser they preferred.
Website designers got wise to it eventually, and instead of just asking
for the "user agent" string, they would do something - run a script, or
similar - which they knew how various browsers would react to, so they
could find what browser you were using that way.
Hmm; according to that website, I'm using
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML,
like Gecko) Chrome/109.0.0.0 Safari/537.36
Which is something of a surprise to me, as I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
and Chrome 109.0.5414.120!
[]
I haven't set a fake user agent string on this computer - life's too
short.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
History is not the past. It is the method we have evolved of organising our
ignorance of the past. - Hilary Mantel, first Reith Lecture 2017
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
History is not the past. It is the method we have evolved of organising our
ignorance of the past. - Hilary Mantel, first Reith Lecture 2017
Newyana2
2024-06-19 12:23:23 UTC
As others have said, most browsers misbehave, but you
don't have to let them take over. The DDG browser seems like
a good idea, but it's built on Chrome, which is monstrously
bloated, poorly designed, and packed with Google spyware.
Have DDG removed all the spyware? Maybe. Then the DDG browser
was caught sharing data with MS because they use Bing for
search.
I think DDG has just tried to do too much without good
planning. There are really only 2 browsers today: The
versions of Chromium and the versions of Firefox. People
make little modifications and claim tto have re-invented
the wheel. I think you're better off just using Firefox,
going through the various settings, and installing extensions
like NoScript.
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
don't have to let them take over. The DDG browser seems like
a good idea, but it's built on Chrome, which is monstrously
bloated, poorly designed, and packed with Google spyware.
Have DDG removed all the spyware? Maybe. Then the DDG browser
was caught sharing data with MS because they use Bing for
search.
I think DDG has just tried to do too much without good
planning. There are really only 2 browsers today: The
versions of Chromium and the versions of Firefox. People
make little modifications and claim tto have re-invented
the wheel. I think you're better off just using Firefox,
going through the various settings, and installing extensions
like NoScript.
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-19 22:50:18 UTC
Post by Newyana2
As others have said, most browsers misbehave, but you
don't have to let them take over. The DDG browser seems like
a good idea, but it's built on Chrome, which is monstrously
bloated, poorly designed, and packed with Google spyware.
Have DDG removed all the spyware? Maybe. Then the DDG browser
was caught sharing data with MS because they use Bing for
search.
I think DDG has just tried to do too much without good
planning. There are really only 2 browsers today: The
versions of Chromium and the versions of Firefox. People
make little modifications and claim tto have re-invented
the wheel. I think you're better off just using Firefox,
going through the various settings, and installing extensions
like NoScript.
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
Personally, I'll stick with FFx - and wish Netscape still worked. SoAs others have said, most browsers misbehave, but you
don't have to let them take over. The DDG browser seems like
a good idea, but it's built on Chrome, which is monstrously
bloated, poorly designed, and packed with Google spyware.
Have DDG removed all the spyware? Maybe. Then the DDG browser
was caught sharing data with MS because they use Bing for
search.
I think DDG has just tried to do too much without good
planning. There are really only 2 browsers today: The
versions of Chromium and the versions of Firefox. People
make little modifications and claim tto have re-invented
the wheel. I think you're better off just using Firefox,
going through the various settings, and installing extensions
like NoScript.
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
dang simple, and that's what simpletons such as I need.
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
Is all this new shite truly Progress?
sticks
2024-06-20 00:27:05 UTC
It is if your intent is to make money off unsuspecting folks
--
Stand With Israel!
Stand With Israel!
pyotr filipivich
2024-06-20 00:43:49 UTC
Post by m***@invalid.com
dang simple, and that's what simpletons such as I need.
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
I find it "fascinating" how I can't use a phone while I'm driving,Post by Newyana2
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
Personally, I'll stick with FFx - and wish Netscape still worked. SoI have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
dang simple, and that's what simpletons such as I need.
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
IMHO "Yes but.."
Yes but I have seen what it called progress before, in an egg. It
was going bad.
All of the computer aided tech is a wonderful thing till something
goes on the fritz. Then the entire thing is junk because the digital
clock no longer works, the driver door window control is _not_ the
problem but something else (when they got to $1700 just for parts
alone, I traded it for a 'newer' car.), "it's a software/hardware
glitch', etc.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-20 01:01:54 UTC
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:43:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
Post by pyotr filipivich
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
I'm going to stick with my 16-year-old Kia.Post by m***@invalid.com
dang simple, and that's what simpletons such as I need.
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
I find it "fascinating" how I can't use a phone while I'm driving,Post by Newyana2
I have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
Personally, I'll stick with FFx - and wish Netscape still worked. SoI have UnGoogled Chrome on a data partition. I keep it around
for testing webpages and emergencies where FF won't work.
But it's almost 300 MB and I don't really want to use it, so I just
keep the portable version stored away.
dang simple, and that's what simpletons such as I need.
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
m***@invalid.com
2024-06-20 01:46:33 UTC
I shouldn't crosspsted this here.
Sorry. No more.
Sorry. No more.
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-20 08:03:06 UTC
[]
(Can you set it to something that isn't updating, or does it revert
after a while?)
- make it impossible. It may - as I say, by backdoor means - make it
illegal to disable the mobile (US: cellular) connection; and/or, make it
illegal (or, at least in practice suppressable) for people to post on
YouTube etc. where the cellular SIM or transponder actually _is_.
Post by m***@invalid.com
Presumably it's the updating that's the flickering, not the backlight.Post by pyotr filipivich
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
Post by m***@invalid.com
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
I find it "fascinating" how I can't use a phone while I'm driving,Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
(Can you set it to something that isn't updating, or does it revert
after a while?)
Post by m***@invalid.com
I'm going to stick with my 16-year-old Kia.
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
Certainly my feeling, but I fear UK legislation may - by back-door meansI'm going to stick with my 16-year-old Kia.
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
- make it impossible. It may - as I say, by backdoor means - make it
illegal to disable the mobile (US: cellular) connection; and/or, make it
illegal (or, at least in practice suppressable) for people to post on
YouTube etc. where the cellular SIM or transponder actually _is_.
Post by m***@invalid.com
Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-offici
al-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy>/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
)-:Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-offici
al-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy>/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
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If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in
silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in
silencing mankind. -John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in
silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in
silencing mankind. -John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)
pyotr filipivich
2024-06-20 15:14:44 UTC
Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]
(Can you set it to something that isn't updating, or does it revert
after a while?)
The issue isn't the software, but that something just changed in[]
Post by m***@invalid.com
Presumably it's the updating that's the flickering, not the backlight.Post by pyotr filipivich
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
Post by m***@invalid.com
Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
I find it "fascinating" how I can't use a phone while I'm driving,Damn lucky I don't have to be a software tekkie to drive a car - yet,
that is. But from what I'm hearing from some of my acquaintances who
have bought new cars, those days may be over. Either that, or they're
trying to scare the hell outta me.
but there is a touch screen interface I must use to control the
AC/heater, navigation, control the lights, wipers, make a 'hands
free' phone call once I've connected my phone to the car, use the dash
board infotainment system, all the while it's updating time, weather,
direction, game scores and headlines. Whether I want that flickering
in my peripheral vision or not.
(Can you set it to something that isn't updating, or does it revert
after a while?)
my peripheral vision. Talk about distracted driving. "was that
something important?"
The car in question was a loaner. Digital out put every thing.
Speed changes from 60 to 59, 'flicker', time changes 'flicker',
temperature changes 'flicker'. Headlines change, 'flicker'.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I wish I could do the same. I get the time machine working andPost by m***@invalid.com
I'm going to stick with my 16-year-old Kia.
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
I'm going to stick with my 16-year-old Kia.
If I had realized a number of years back what was coming, I would have
picked up another good used car. Fortunately, our Kia - kept in good
repair by a great shop, will be our car for the few years we have
left. Never will I drive that spyware crap that cars have become.
one of the things I will get is a "better" automobile.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Certainly my feeling, but I fear UK legislation may - by back-door means
- make it impossible. It may - as I say, by backdoor means - make it
illegal to disable the mobile (US: cellular) connection; and/or, make it
illegal (or, at least in practice suppressable) for people to post on
YouTube etc. where the cellular SIM or transponder actually _is_.
Yeah.Certainly my feeling, but I fear UK legislation may - by back-door means
- make it impossible. It may - as I say, by backdoor means - make it
illegal to disable the mobile (US: cellular) connection; and/or, make it
illegal (or, at least in practice suppressable) for people to post on
YouTube etc. where the cellular SIM or transponder actually _is_.
Post by m***@invalid.com
Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-offici
al-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy>/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
Cars - Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-offici
al-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy>/
It's unbelievable the legal jeopardy one now places themselves in when
driving one of those new evil machines.
We're surrounded by computers with other hardware attached.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)