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Forced to use Window 10 in future
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Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-07 23:30:56 UTC
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The solution is said to work on both pro and regular Windows 10 too.
This is a better thread.
What is an effective way to tun off Windows 10 updates until YOU want them back on?
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?p=3749137
Char Jackson
2018-04-08 00:48:18 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:30:56 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The solution is said to work on both pro and regular Windows 10 too.
This is a better thread.
What is an effective way to tun off Windows 10 updates until YOU want them back on?
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?p=3749137
pcbanter seems to be one of those web forums that sucks Usenet posts in
an effort to make it look like they have actual content.
VanguardLH
2018-04-08 00:56:34 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
pcbanter seems to be one of those web forums that sucks Usenet posts in
an effort to make it look like they have actual content.
There are lots of those web-based forums for boobs that can't figure out
how to configure and use an NNTP client. The boobs were weaned on web
browsers. Those users don't even realize there is a hierarchy (tree
structure) to threads within a discussion because, gee, their web-based
forums flattens out all posts to the same level so you can't be sure who
responded to whom.

Because they are a web-based leech site for uberboobs is why I filter
out any posts originating from there, just like I filter out the
uberboobs, trolls, malcontents, and pueriles posting through Google
Groups. By leeching from Usenet, the web-based forums can pretend they
have more content or, in some cases, Usenet is their only content that
they pretend is their own content.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 04:48:30 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
pcbanter seems to be one of those web forums that sucks Usenet posts in
an effort to make it look like they have actual content.
Let's be completely honest with each other... and let's all agree to be
adults who wish to be helpful.

*I get your point ... but what's your alternative solution?*

I asked a while ago which URL is the best "search engine" for this
newsgroup.

That's the only URL that came out.
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general

*If you have a *better* search engine, I'm all ears.*

It's easy to disparage the work of others - but what's your alternative
search engine for this newsgroup?

For example, try to find my post asking for the best search engine.
How would you do that?
David B.
2018-04-08 10:05:41 UTC
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Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
pcbanter seems to be one of those web forums that sucks Usenet posts in
an effort to make it look like they have actual content.
Let's be completely honest with each other... and let's all agree to be
adults who wish to be helpful.
*I get your point ... but what's your alternative solution?*
I asked a while ago which URL is the best "search engine" for this
newsgroup.
That's the only URL that came out.
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
*If you have a *better* search engine, I'm all ears*.
Corrected so as to embolden for Thunderbird users!
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
It's easy to disparage the work of others - but what's your alternative
search engine for this newsgroup?
For example, try to find my post asking for the best search engine.
How would you do that?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Ragnusen+Ultred&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=y-jJWsPaIKva8wfVi7X4Dg

I've not reviewed all of the leads provided.
--
David B.
David B.
2018-04-08 10:18:04 UTC
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On 08/04/2018 11:05, David B. added ...

You could look here, too:-

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Ragnusen$20Ultred%7Csort:date

HTH
--
David B.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 16:05:02 UTC
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Post by David B.
You could look here, too:-
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Ragnusen$20Ultred%7Csort:date
I guess I was too literal.

What I was explaining to Char Jackson, who is a truly helpful guy who means
well, was that anyone searching for something needs to have a "search
engine" where we *all* know that Google search engine _sucks_ for Usenet
topics.

So while you keyed off of the unique name, that's not what the point was in
the least.

The point was how are you going to find *any* Usenet topic?
What search engine are you going to use?

To Chas Jackson's point, pcbanter sucks.
But... guess what.

Nobody has anything better.
If they do ... tell it to us right now.

My point is that nobody has a better answer.
If you have a better answer ... then we are all all ears.

Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Big Al
2018-04-08 16:21:25 UTC
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Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
And something like Thunderbird's search or quick filter isn't sufficient?
I usually can find things I need. Of course this particular solution
you can only search one newsgroup at a time.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 17:36:30 UTC
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Char Jackson
2018-04-08 21:34:34 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:30 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Q: Do you know of any other search engine for *this* newsgroup only?
a. It must have *all* the messages listed in some type of sensible order.
b. It must search *only* the newsgroup for content.
You're asking for a general purpose search engine, of sorts, so my
approach won't work for you. However, it works extremely well for me.

I use Control-G, which in my newsreader brings up the Search dialogue. I
specify one or more groups, plus any relevant keywords (author, subject,
body, etc.) that I want. Why does it work? Because I never purge, so
everything is available and searchable in the groups that I care about.
If I wanted to search in a group that I'm not subscribed to, I'd
subscribe and download a suitable period of posts, then I'd search. It's
fast and easy, but not everyone wants to do it that way.

Alternatively, there are ways to directly search a Usenet provider's
archive, but many providers disable the capability because of its
overhead on their end.

Lastly, my comment about the pcbanter site was just me venting my
displeasure at such sites. (There are multiple, with pcbanter being one
example.) They claim to be doing a service of some sort, but they're
really just sucking content from Usenet. I object to that on general
principles, but I acknowledge that it may provide a means of searching a
newsgroup. It's not a method that I'll use, but it could be all you have
so you have to use it.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 21:46:56 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
my comment about the pcbanter site was just me venting my
displeasure at such sites. (There are multiple, with pcbanter being one
example.) They claim to be doing a service of some sort, but they're
really just sucking content from Usenet. I object to that on general
principles, but I acknowledge that it may provide a means of searching a
newsgroup. It's not a method that I'll use, but it could be all you have
so you have to use it.
I agree with everything you said.

The problem is in finding a *better* solution.

Until then, it's all we have that works.
Char Jackson
2018-04-08 23:01:16 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:46:56 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
my comment about the pcbanter site was just me venting my
displeasure at such sites. (There are multiple, with pcbanter being one
example.) They claim to be doing a service of some sort, but they're
really just sucking content from Usenet. I object to that on general
principles, but I acknowledge that it may provide a means of searching a
newsgroup. It's not a method that I'll use, but it could be all you have
so you have to use it.
I agree with everything you said.
The problem is in finding a *better* solution.
Until then, it's all we have that works.
Technically, it may be all that you have, but I don't use it because
what I have is much better. You *could* do the same, if you like.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 00:36:26 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Technically, it may be all that you have, but I don't use it because
what I have is much better. You *could* do the same, if you like.
I completely understand your point.

*Let's look at this issue purely logically.*

I'd have to look at your news server to explain to you why what works for
you doesn't necessarily work for everyone.

OK. I looked. While headers can be spoofed, I'll assume this nntp server:
Organization: Newshosting.com - www.newshosting.com

What you're saying is that your NNTP server *archives* a *lot* of messages.

How much do they archive?
I do not know.

Let's say they archive the past 20 years of news messages.
So, if you're willing to download those last 20 years of messages, then a
simple control+f find (or whatever you use) will "find" them.

Of course, the search "engine" is merely a "grep" style, so it's a "dumb"
search, but maybe it uses "regular expressions" which makes it smarter.

The point is that there are two variables involved.
1. The quantity of messages archived, and,
2. The quality of the search engine capabilities.

Obviously Google has this concept pretty much down pat, where it's just sad
that Google Groups doesn't work as well as Google Search does.

What you have is a "dumb" version of a search, which, I agree, if your nntp
server allows 20 years of threads, then it works for you.

But how many people are out there?
Do they all use the same NNTP server you use?

If not, then pcbanter (or some other publicly available search mechanism)
works better.

So, you have a single-point solution, whereas I'm always seeking the
multi-point solution.

Your solution is great - but it's single point.
My solution sucks - but it's multi point.

Which solution has more leverage to more people?
Simple. The multi-point solution always has more leverage.

I understand you.
You understand me.

I'm still seeking a *better* multi-point solution.
You're fine with your single-point solution.

That's the only difference between us.
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-09 16:36:12 UTC
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Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
Technically, it may be all that you have, but I don't use it because
what I have is much better. You *could* do the same, if you like.
I completely understand your point.
*Let's look at this issue purely logically.*
I'd have to look at your news server to explain to you why what works for
you doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
Char Jackson was talking about his newsreader, not his News server.

[Red herrings left for completeness:]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Organization: Newshosting.com - www.newshosting.com
What you're saying is that your NNTP server *archives* a *lot* of messages.
How much do they archive?
I do not know.
Let's say they archive the past 20 years of news messages.
So, if you're willing to download those last 20 years of messages, then a
simple control+f find (or whatever you use) will "find" them.
Of course, the search "engine" is merely a "grep" style, so it's a "dumb"
search, but maybe it uses "regular expressions" which makes it smarter.
The point is that there are two variables involved.
1. The quantity of messages archived, and,
2. The quality of the search engine capabilities.
Obviously Google has this concept pretty much down pat, where it's just sad
that Google Groups doesn't work as well as Google Search does.
What you have is a "dumb" version of a search, which, I agree, if your nntp
server allows 20 years of threads, then it works for you.
But how many people are out there?
Do they all use the same NNTP server you use?
If not, then pcbanter (or some other publicly available search mechanism)
works better.
So, you have a single-point solution, whereas I'm always seeking the
multi-point solution.
Your solution is great - but it's single point.
His solution isn't single point. All users with the same newsreader
can use it. Most if not all decent newsreaders have similar
functionality. Because you (say you) don't use a newsreader, you are the
odd man out, by choice.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
My solution sucks - but it's multi point.
Which solution has more leverage to more people?
Simple. The multi-point solution always has more leverage.
I understand you.
You understand me.
I'm still seeking a *better* multi-point solution.
Nope, you're seeking a solution which has/gets *your* seal-of-approval.

Most others will quite happily use one of the other existing multi- or
single-point solutions.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
You're fine with your single-point solution.
That's the only difference between us.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 21:45:06 UTC
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Post by Frank Slootweg
Char Jackson was talking about his newsreader, not his News server.
C'mon Frank,
Do you *always* just play silly semantic games?

How is Char Jackson going to search for specific topics if all he has is
the newsreader and zero messages downloaded from his news server?

Do you really think we're all that dumb, Frank?
Really?

*Frank ... stop playing your idiotic silly semantic games.*

You just prove two things in every post:
1. *You don't actually have any technical expertise*, Frank, so,
2. All you can do is post unhelpful unrelated useless drivel.

Just watch.
Char Jackson
2018-04-10 00:03:06 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 14:45:06 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
Char Jackson was talking about his newsreader, not his News server.
C'mon Frank,
Do you *always* just play silly semantic games?
I think Frank had the same reaction that I had when I described how I
use my *newsreader* to archive the groups that I'm interested in, and
you responded with the following:

<quote>
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
I'd have to look at your news server to explain to you why what works for
you doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
</quote>

I assumed you meant newsreader rather than news server.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
How is Char Jackson going to search for specific topics if all he has is
the newsreader and zero messages downloaded from his news server?
C'mon, why assume zero messages downloaded? No one said that. Not me,
and not Frank.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-10 02:53:07 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
C'mon, why assume zero messages downloaded? No one said that. Not me,
and not Frank.
The point is and was that you can't search in that which you don't have of.
Wolf K
2018-04-10 12:54:57 UTC
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Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
C'mon, why assume zero messages downloaded? No one said that. Not me,
and not Frank.
The point is and was that you can't search in that which you don't have of.
I guess your "multiple degrees" didn't include the definition of "archive".
--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two
weeks ago."
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-10 13:52:30 UTC
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Post by Wolf K
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The point is and was that you can't search in that which you don't have of.
I guess your "multiple degrees" didn't include the definition of "archive".
Hi Wolf,
This is my last post to you on this thread for a couple of salient reasons.

1. You can't add technical value to the newsgroup, so all you can do is
play silly semantic games, which just waste everyone's time, and,
besides...

2. I've already moved on to many other Q&A technical issues, e.g.,
2018 update: Best second-line for free SMS/MMS that makes & receives calls from USA POTS & Cellular lines
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/T4tmXrm_NzA>

How does a Wi-Fi only tablet route on Google Maps when on the road?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/ll6YT7BgFnA>
etc.
Wolf K
2018-04-10 14:09:20 UTC
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This is my last post to you on this thread for a couple of salient reasons.[...]
Good.
--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two
weeks ago."
Char Jackson
2018-04-10 15:14:49 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 19:53:07 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
C'mon, why assume zero messages downloaded? No one said that. Not me,
and not Frank.
The point is and was that you can't search in that which you don't have of.
Tortured grammar aside, I described how you can create your own
searchable archive for any group. Is it convenient for a one-off search?
Probably not, but two points:

1. Most people probably never have a desire to search for anything.
They'll just post a new thread.
2. Most people use a proper newsreader, not a loosely cobbled together
set of scripts, so you're on a bit of an island and need a
completely different solution than what works for me.

Anyway, I think we're done here. I see that you've moved on to a couple
of more interesting topics.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-10 15:54:24 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Anyway, I think we're done here. I see that you've moved on to a couple
of more interesting topics.
Hi Char Jackson,
I solve *every* technical problem (if there is a solution out there) I run
into, where I ask myself perhaps a thousand technical questions every year
(I'm not going to count the amount so that's just a ballpark figure).

How do I solve those problems?

I'd wager something like a third to a half are already solved where those
solutions are easily found, while a third to a half aren't solved or the
solution isn't obvious since the problem sets can be askew.

For an example of an askew problem set, look at the post yesterday, where
the goal is a free second phone line. If you google, you find lots of
solutions for "second phone lines" but free makes it harder always,
partially because a lot of the so-called reviews are simply shills, as
you're well aware I'm sure.

Also, I find the *best* free tools for the job, where, again, you're well
aware, you can google for the ten best of whatever, and out of a hundred
hits, very few will have the same top tools - where in those cases, it
helps to ask the newsgroup to clarify.

Likewise, as you've seen with my thread on the google archiving of email or
my thread on the wuaueng.dll or my thread on the creation of truly
hierarchal Windows start menus, there are often nuances where no amount of
searching will reveal the answer to.

The problem we have here isn't me or you; it's that trolls like Wolf and
Frank Slootweg have no technical value whatsoever to add (which they prove
in every post).

Worse, these trolls such as Frank Slootweg and Wolf have zero intention to
ever be helpful. None. Zip. Nada. Remember that, Char Jackson ... when you
see how little effort I provide in responding to them - where it's just to
swat away the annoying brainless gnat.

If you, Char Jackson, or Paul, or other intentionally helpful people post,
you'll note that I put much more effort into the post than I do for those
annoying gnats Frank Slootweg (whom I know for years has never once added
any on-topic technical value to *any* thread) and this Wolf troll.

You prove that you're intentionally helpful; I prove that I'm intentionally
helpful (by my very summarizes, for example), and yet, the trolls such as
Frank Slootweg and Wolf prove in every post that they have zero intention
to ever be helpful.

Just watch and let them prove my words.
Rene Lamontagne
2018-04-10 17:41:22 UTC
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Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
Anyway, I think we're done here. I see that you've moved on to a couple
of more interesting topics.
Hi Char Jackson,
I solve *every* technical problem (if there is a solution out there) I run
into, where I ask myself perhaps a thousand technical questions every year
(I'm not going to count the amount so that's just a ballpark figure).
How do I solve those problems?
I'd wager something like a third to a half are already solved where those
solutions are easily found, while a third to a half aren't solved or the
solution isn't obvious since the problem sets can be askew.
For an example of an askew problem set, look at the post yesterday, where
the goal is a free second phone line. If you google, you find lots of
solutions for "second phone lines" but free makes it harder always,
partially because a lot of the so-called reviews are simply shills, as
you're well aware I'm sure.
Also, I find the *best* free tools for the job, where, again, you're well
aware, you can google for the ten best of whatever, and out of a hundred
hits, very few will have the same top tools - where in those cases, it
helps to ask the newsgroup to clarify.
Likewise, as you've seen with my thread on the google archiving of email or
my thread on the wuaueng.dll or my thread on the creation of truly
hierarchal Windows start menus, there are often nuances where no amount of
searching will reveal the answer to.
The problem we have here isn't me or you; it's that trolls like Wolf and
Frank Slootweg have no technical value whatsoever to add (which they prove
in every post).
Worse, these trolls such as Frank Slootweg and Wolf have zero intention to
ever be helpful. None. Zip. Nada. Remember that, Char Jackson ... when you
see how little effort I provide in responding to them - where it's just to
swat away the annoying brainless gnat.
If you, Char Jackson, or Paul, or other intentionally helpful people post,
you'll note that I put much more effort into the post than I do for those
annoying gnats Frank Slootweg (whom I know for years has never once added
any on-topic technical value to *any* thread) and this Wolf troll.
You prove that you're intentionally helpful; I prove that I'm intentionally
helpful (by my very summarizes, for example), and yet, the trolls such as
Frank Slootweg and Wolf prove in every post that they have zero intention
to ever be helpful.
Just watch and let them prove my words.
What Circus did you come from?????
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-10 20:37:51 UTC
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Ragnusen Ultred <***@ultred.com> lied:
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The problem we have here isn't me or you; it's that trolls like Wolf and
Frank Slootweg have no technical value whatsoever to add (which they prove
in every post).
Worse, these trolls such as Frank Slootweg and Wolf have zero intention to
ever be helpful. None. Zip. Nada. Remember that, Char Jackson ... when you
see how little effort I provide in responding to them - where it's just to
swat away the annoying brainless gnat.
If you, Char Jackson, or Paul, or other intentionally helpful people post,
you'll note that I put much more effort into the post than I do for those
annoying gnats Frank Slootweg (whom I know for years has never once added
any on-topic technical value to *any* thread) and this Wolf troll.
You prove that you're intentionally helpful; I prove that I'm intentionally
helpful (by my very summarizes, for example), and yet, the trolls such as
Frank Slootweg and Wolf prove in every post that they have zero intention
to ever be helpful.
Just watch and let them prove my words.
[Rewind:/Repeat:]

<quote>
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
If not, you are simply trolling, Frank, and as such, this is my last
post to you on this thread for these salient reasons.
Promises, promises!
</quote>

QED.

BTW, what does Char Jackson have to do to be promoted to 'troll'?
Didn't he put enough egg on your face? Isn't it quite unfair that you've
promoted Wolf, Neil and Ken [1], but not Char?

Of course *I*'m still your king of 'trolls', but please give others a
fair go as well, will you?

[1] Well, strictly speaking Ken still has prospect status, but he's
clearly on the rise.

Frank Slootweg
2018-04-10 13:56:57 UTC
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Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
Char Jackson was talking about his newsreader, not his News server.
C'mon Frank,
Do you *always* just play silly semantic games?
As usual, the one playing games is *you*. Read on.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
How is Char Jackson going to search for specific topics if all he has is
the newsreader and zero messages downloaded from his news server?
See Char Jackson's response and enjoy the egg on your face.

That's what you get for not reading for comprehension and assuming
that your correspondent who says something which you don't *like* is
wrong, just because of your dislike.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Do you really think we're all that dumb, Frank?
No, not all, just you.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Really?
Yes, really.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
*Frank ... stop playing your idiotic silly semantic games.*
s/Frank/Mr. EMAK/
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
1. *You don't actually have any technical expertise*, Frank, so,
Sure! That must be why *you* don't know the difference between a
client and a server.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
2. All you can do is post unhelpful unrelated useless drivel.
Only *you* seem to think so. Why's that?
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Just watch.
For you to make even more a fool of yourself?

Face it, you've outed yourself to at least three other - very
knowledgeable - people in this group. So you'll need to be looking for
yet another group where you can troll .... till you out yourself again,
ad infinitum.

In closing:

[Repeat:]

Why do you intentionally antagonize people with this kind of rubbish,
when you are - as you (at least) once said - aware of the problems which
stem from your disorder?
David B.
2018-04-08 21:42:07 UTC
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On 08/04/2018 17:05, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[....]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Have you tried the Search facility in the Thunderbird newsreader?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/

I've found that very useful at times.

HTH
--
David B.
Paul
2018-04-08 22:14:04 UTC
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Post by David B.
[....]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Have you tried the Search facility in the Thunderbird newsreader?
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
I've found that very useful at times.
HTH
That's called GLODA.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird/gloda

At the time that was included/invented, it wasn't clear
from the comments what it was for.

*******

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/rebuilding-global-database

"The Global Database ("Gloda" for short) is an indexing system
that enables Thunderbird to search messages. Rebuilding the
Global Database re-indexes messages and address book cards.

(Newsgroup messages are not indexed.) <===
"

That's why I was looking those up, to see whether it was true or not.

Paul
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 00:44:13 UTC
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Post by Paul
That's called GLODA.
As I just explained to Char Jackson, I'm always seeking to improve the
search capability for *everyone* for all time for this newsgroup.

It's why I created the tinyurl for this group, for example.
I didn't need it. I know what the URL is.
I created it to *leverage* for everyone.

It's how I work.

Now ... as I explained to Char Jackson, if *everyone* used the same news
server, and if that news server saved 20 years of Usenet messages (or
whatever) and if the search through those messages was decent (aka, smart),
then we'd all be fat and happy already.

Having said that, Char Jackson says he has a news server which does save
(enough) messages (maybe not 20 years, but enough for him) and Char Jackson
and David B. both say they have a search mechanism that is good enough
(maybe not smart, but good enough for them), so, what the hell ...

Both Char Jackson and David B. intimate that they have the problem solved.
And they do have the problem solved.

If...

If two things happen:
1. Their news server archives (say) 20 years' worth of messages, and,
2. Their search mechanism is smart enough to find what they seek.

I understand that perfectly well.

What I'm trying to solve is a *bigger* problem.

I'm trying to get *everyone* to have that capability.
How?

I don't know how.
The best I can come up with is these two URLs & that one search engine:
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

If you know of a *better* search engine that archives *more* articles in
these two newsgroups, then I'm all ears.

But it has to work for *everyone* (not just you).
Paul
2018-04-09 04:40:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Paul
That's called GLODA.
As I just explained to Char Jackson, I'm always seeking to improve the
search capability for *everyone* for all time for this newsgroup.
It's why I created the tinyurl for this group, for example.
I didn't need it. I know what the URL is. I created it to *leverage* for
everyone.
It's how I work.
Now ... as I explained to Char Jackson, if *everyone* used the same news
server, and if that news server saved 20 years of Usenet messages (or
whatever) and if the search through those messages was decent (aka, smart),
then we'd all be fat and happy already.
Having said that, Char Jackson says he has a news server which does save
(enough) messages (maybe not 20 years, but enough for him) and Char Jackson
and David B. both say they have a search mechanism that is good enough
(maybe not smart, but good enough for them), so, what the hell ...
Both Char Jackson and David B. intimate that they have the problem solved.
And they do have the problem solved.
If...
1. Their news server archives (say) 20 years' worth of messages, and, 2.
Their search mechanism is smart enough to find what they seek.
I understand that perfectly well.
What I'm trying to solve is a *bigger* problem.
I'm trying to get *everyone* to have that capability.
How?
I don't know how.
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
If you know of a *better* search engine that archives *more* articles in
these two newsgroups, then I'm all ears.
But it has to work for *everyone* (not just you).
Did you see signs I was doing USENET searches ?

I'm not.

Dejanews is dead and gone.

*******

If you want to build your own index, set up an NNTP proxy,
buy a block account from Giganews (server with long retention),
download the set of groups you would normally look in, and then
switch back to using whatever USENET server you want. You
can allocate as much retention for your proxy as you want,
because it's your own hard drive.

Then you can work on finding an indexer for it.

*******

If you have a MID to share with people, they can use Howard
to view the message. But Howard now truncates the message
body, because some "movie pirates" tried to abuse Howard,
and now we all suffer as a result. They tried to use Howard
as a "downloader".

http://al.howardknight.net/

Paul
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 21:50:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul
Did you see signs I was doing USENET searches ?
I'm not.
Dejanews is dead and gone.
*******
If you want to build your own index, set up an NNTP proxy,
Hi Paul,
Your objection is fair enough, where my point was that nothing good exists
for this group, and yet, some groups have search engines that do satisfy
the two requirements of any decent usenet search engine, namely:
a. All articles are archived, and,
b. The search mechanism works reasonably well

For example,
http://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen (30-character limit)

While all my threads are an attempt to further my own and the tribal
knowledge of the group, I do NOT wish to create my own search engine.

However, it *can* be done, as you noted, by someone who is more inclined
than I am to create their own search engine and/or to archive all the
messages for the past 20 years and then the next 20 years.

As you noted, there are multiple ways to approach the solution, where my
contribution to the team was simply to create the easy-to-remember URLs:
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-09 16:41:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by David B.
[....]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Have you tried the Search facility in the Thunderbird newsreader?
He isn't using Thunderbird. He's forging/faking headers.
Post by David B.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
I've found that very useful at times.
HTH
David B.
2018-04-09 18:59:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by David B.
[....]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Have you tried the Search facility in the Thunderbird newsreader?
He isn't using Thunderbird. He's forging/faking headers.
I noticed that in his header it says "Thunderbird/99.9.9" but that does
*NOT* mean that he is *NOT* using Thunderbird!

What newsreader do *YOU* think he's using?
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by David B.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
I've found that very useful at times.
HTH
--
David B.
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-09 20:29:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by David B.
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by David B.
[....]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Here's the question to answer.
Q: Do you have a better search engine for this group?
A: If yes, what is it? (HINT: It's not google.)
Have you tried the Search facility in the Thunderbird newsreader?
He isn't using Thunderbird. He's forging/faking headers.
I noticed that in his header it says "Thunderbird/99.9.9" but that does
*NOT* mean that he is *NOT* using Thunderbird!
Indeed it doesn't. But I/we know he's forging/faking headers, because
he has - repeatedly - said so. He thinks that there are "automatic
aggregators" which collect NetNews headers in order to try to determine
the identity of an 'anonymous' poster. He uses the same 'reason' as his
justification for his nymshifting (never mind that that is documented as
abuse of the net).
Post by David B.
What newsreader do *YOU* think he's using?
He says he's written his own home-grown one, in order to be able to
generate "completely random" headers.

Any conclusions as to the sanity of all of this is left as an exercise
for the reader.
Post by David B.
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by David B.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
I've found that very useful at times.
HTH
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 21:59:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
Indeed it doesn't. But I/we know he's forging/faking headers, because
he has - repeatedly - said so. He thinks that there are "automatic
aggregators" which collect NetNews headers in order to try to determine
the identity of an 'anonymous' poster. He uses the same 'reason' as his
justification for his nymshifting (never mind that that is documented as
abuse of the net).
Post by David B.
What newsreader do *YOU* think he's using?
He says he's written his own home-grown one, in order to be able to
generate "completely random" headers.
Any conclusions as to the sanity of all of this is left as an exercise
for the reader.
Post by David B.
Post by David B.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
I've found that very useful at times.
HTH
For once, Frank is almost completely correct! :)

There are (at least) two Usenet models:
a. chit chat
b. question and answer

For the chit-chat model, who you are matters far more than what you say
(IMNO) as evidenced that there's almost zero technical knowledge conferred
in most chit-chat model conversations (IMHO).

For the Q&A model, what you ask and what you conclude is far more important
than who you are, where only a bona-fide moron wouldn't be able to figure
out using his own brain's AI capability who I am since I don't change my
style, vernacular, organization, grammar, spelling, etc.

As Frank mentioned, my reader is "vi" and my headers are essentially random
with the only caveat that they're locked to a thread topic for consistency.

Since I never troll, Frank's comments about abuse are made from his sheer
ignorance, particularly since Frank has almost never contributed any
technical value himself (which is proven time and again whenever he posts).

Hence, Frank clearly uses the "chit-chat" model, where what he says isn't
really all that important since he doesn't actually say much of technical
value.

He does play endless silly semantic games - where - I must admit - he's a
pro at those childish games - so it's best to not play with him as he will
bring anyone, including me, down to his level and win in the end because
he's so very good at it.

Just watch...
Char Jackson
2018-04-09 23:56:31 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 14:59:12 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Since I never troll, Frank's comments about abuse are made from his sheer
ignorance [snip]
Unless things have changed dramatically since I last visited, your
constant nym changes and your conversational tone would likely be seen
as abuse in the Big-8 hierarchy, but here in alt*, it's the wild west.
It's all kinds of annoying, but I wouldn't call it abuse on this side of
the house.

Just one person's opinion. Worth what I'm charging for it. All I ask is
that you don't misconstrue it as an endorsement.
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-10 13:10:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Char Jackson
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 14:59:12 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Since I never troll, Frank's comments about abuse are made from his sheer
ignorance [snip]
Unless things have changed dramatically since I last visited, your
constant nym changes and your conversational tone would likely be seen
as abuse in the Big-8 hierarchy, but here in alt*, it's the wild west.
It's all kinds of annoying, but I wouldn't call it abuse on this side of
the house.
Just one person's opinion. Worth what I'm charging for it. All I ask is
that you don't misconstrue it as an endorsement.
He has the exact same MO in Big-8 groups, for example in
comp.mobile.android and in misc.phone.mobile.iphone and
comp.mobile.ipad,comp, where he trolls the "Apple [Apologists|Babies]".
He hates anything Apple with a vengeance.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-10 13:52:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
He has the exact same MO in Big-8 groups, for example in
comp.mobile.android and in misc.phone.mobile.iphone and
comp.mobile.ipad,comp, where he trolls the "Apple [Apologists|Babies]".
He hates anything Apple with a vengeance.
Hi Frank,

You call everyone else a troll but what you negate to do is self reflect to
ask yourself if you've *ever* added on-topic technical value to this
thread.

If not, you are simply trolling, Frank, and as such, this is my last post
to you on this thread for these salient reasons.

1. You can't add technical value to the newsgroup, so all you can do is
play silly semantic games, which just waste everyone's time, and,
besides...

2. I've already moved on to many other Q&A technical issues, e.g.,
2018 update: Best second-line for free SMS/MMS that makes & receives calls from USA POTS & Cellular lines
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/T4tmXrm_NzA>

How does a Wi-Fi only tablet route on Google Maps when on the road?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/ll6YT7BgFnA>
etc.
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-10 14:05:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
He has the exact same MO in Big-8 groups, for example in
comp.mobile.android and in misc.phone.mobile.iphone and
comp.mobile.ipad,comp, where he trolls the "Apple [Apologists|Babies]".
He hates anything Apple with a vengeance.
Hi Frank,
You call everyone else a troll but what you negate to do is self reflect to
ask yourself if you've *ever* added on-topic technical value to this
thread.
Yes, several times. One of them put the egg on your face, remember!?

Bugger heh, when facts interfere with your urge to rant and to emit
pure and utter bollocks!?
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
If not, you are simply trolling, Frank, and as such, this is my last post
to you on this thread for these salient reasons.
Promises, promises!

[More logical fallacies deleted.]
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-08 11:36:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
pcbanter seems to be one of those web forums that sucks Usenet posts in
an effort to make it look like they have actual content.
Let's be completely honest with each other... and let's all agree to be
adults who wish to be helpful.
*I get your point ... but what's your alternative solution?*
I asked a while ago which URL is the best "search engine" for this
newsgroup.
That's the only URL that came out.
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
*If you have a *better* search engine, I'm all ears.*
It's easy to disparage the work of others - but what's your alternative
search engine for this newsgroup?
For example, try to find my post asking for the best search engine.
How would you do that?
Wrong questions(s).

You were referring to threads in 'this' [1] newsgroup. So you could
just have given the News URLs or/and the 'Subject:' plus 'Date:'
headers. No need for a search engine.

[1] alt.comp.os.windows-10, i.e. before you added the needless
crosspost (and failed to say so).
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 16:04:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
Wrong questions(s).
You were referring to threads in 'this' [1] newsgroup. So you could
just have given the News URLs or/and the 'Subject:' plus 'Date:'
headers. No need for a search engine.
[1] alt.comp.os.windows-10, i.e. before you added the needless
crosspost (and failed to say so).
Frank,

I know you're almost always a troll, but, unlike your normal trolling, you
posted above something that might work since the goal is to find a good
Usenet search engine that only searches a specific newsgroup named
alt.comp.os.windows-10 or alt.windows7.general.

So, Frank, I will *test* your post, assuming that you're not just trolling
with senseless semantic games like you have proven you do time and again.

How do you suggest that we, all the users here, find any *topic* in the
Usenet newsgroup named "alt.comp.os.windows-10".

Remember, you and David are just trolling, so you picked an *easy* but
unrealistic case.

The case Chas Jackson (who is NOT a troll - he's an adult) observed, which
is perfectly valid, is that pcbanter isn't perfect like Google Groups is,
for, say, the android newsgroup that you, Frank, troll incessantly on.
http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
Likewise for the iOS newsgroups that you, Frank, don't troll on:
http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad
http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone

Luckily, *some* Windows newsgroups have a Google Groups search engine:
http://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen (30-character limit)

The question is, Frank, what's a good Usenet search engine that searches
*this* newsgroup for a certain topic.

No trolling now Frank.

None of your incessant mindless numbingly silly senseless semantic games.
Can you do that Frank?

*Can you act like an adult for just once in your life, Frank?*

Or, do you prove yet again, beyond a doubt, that you're only a child who
has zero technical capability whatsoever, and, worse, zero helpful intent.

Frank:
Q: What's a good search engine for this Usenet newsgroup (pick one).
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-08 18:09:18 UTC
Permalink
Ragnusen Ultred <***@ultred.com> wrote:
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Frank,
I know you're almost always a troll, but, unlike your normal trolling,
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
So, Frank, I will *test* your post, assuming that you're not just trolling
with senseless semantic games like you have proven you do time and again.
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Remember, you and David are just trolling, so you picked an *easy* but
unrealistic case.
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
for, say, the android newsgroup that you, Frank, troll incessantly on.
[...]
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
No trolling now Frank.
None of your incessant mindless numbingly silly senseless semantic games.
Can you do that Frank?
*Can you act like an adult for just once in your life, Frank?*
Or, do you prove yet again, beyond a doubt, that you're only a child who
has zero technical capability whatsoever, and, worse, zero helpful intent.
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat! It was *me* who pointed you to
pcbanter, when you wanted a search engine for these groups!

And now *I* get all this 'troll' bollocks, just because *you* are too
stupid to remember who did what!? If that's your way of saying 'Thanks!'
then don't bother.

You're one *very* sick puppy! And no, your disorder is *no* excuse!

[And then there's the issue of completely missing to point of my/a
response, but that's your standard MO, so let's not go there.]
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 18:53:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat!
You respond to facts with vitriol.

Hence you prove what I stated in *every* post.

The question is what is *better* than pcbanter.
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-08 19:38:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat!
Let me repair that dishonestly snipped quote for you:

<restore>
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat! It was *me* who pointed you to
pcbanter, when you wanted a search engine for these groups!
And now *I* get all this 'troll' bollocks, just because *you* are too
stupid to remember who did what!? If that's your way of saying 'Thanks!'
then don't bother.
You're one *very* sick puppy! And no, your disorder is *no* excuse!
[And then there's the issue of completely missing to point of my/a
response, but that's your standard MO, so let's not go there.]
</restore>

Silent admissions and piles of egg-on-face duly noted.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
You respond to facts with vitriol.
No, I was responding to *your* vitriol of misplaced innuendo and
insults. Can't do the time, ...

You wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you! But you want facts?
Here's one:

<news:***@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

Now, for *once* in your life, act like a man and do *not* snip
'inconvenient' context [1].

[1] And no BS about 'netiquette'. A netabuser like you is in no position
whatsoever to teach others about 'netiquette'.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-08 20:09:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
Now, for *once* in your life, act like a man and do *not* snip
'inconvenient' context [1].
Usenet RFC snipping
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-09 15:04:24 UTC
Permalink
To the audience: You'd better skip this.
[Restore of 'inconvenient' context:]

<restore>
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat!
<restore>
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Frank Slootweg
You stupid pompous obnoxious twat! It was *me* who pointed you to
pcbanter, when you wanted a search engine for these groups!
And now *I* get all this 'troll' bollocks, just because *you* are too
stupid to remember who did what!? If that's your way of saying 'Thanks!'
then don't bother.
You're one *very* sick puppy! And no, your disorder is *no* excuse!
[And then there's the issue of completely missing to point of my/a
response, but that's your standard MO, so let's not go there.]
</restore>
Silent admissions and piles of egg-on-face duly noted.
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
You respond to facts with vitriol.
No, I was responding to *your* vitriol of misplaced innuendo and
insults. Can't do the time, ...
Silent admission duly noted.
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by Frank Slootweg
You wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you! But you want facts?
Silent admission c.q. <whossh!> duly noted.

</restore>
Post by Frank Slootweg
Post by Frank Slootweg
Now, for *once* in your life, act like a man and do *not* snip
'inconvenient' context [1].
Let me restore yet another one of your dishonest silent snips:

<restore>
Post by Frank Slootweg
[1] And no BS about 'netiquette'. A netabuser like you is in no position
whatsoever to teach others about 'netiquette'.
</restore>
Post by Frank Slootweg
Usenet RFC snipping
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting
Exactly *which* part(s) of "'inconvenient'" and the footnote didn't
you understand!?

So once more you prove that you're indeed the lying, cheating jerk
that I showed you to be.

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NJ.
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-09 22:01:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Slootweg
So once more you prove that you're indeed the lying, cheating jerk
that I showed you to be.
As Frank proves in every post ...
a. He has no technical value to add to the group's tribal knowledge, and,
b. Worse. He has zero intention to be technically on topic helpful.

Just watch...
Wolf K
2018-04-09 23:05:13 UTC
Permalink
On 2018-04-09 18:01, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
the group's tribal knowledge
[...]

Presumptuous twit.
--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two
weeks ago."
Char Jackson
2018-04-10 00:07:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wolf K
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
the group's tribal knowledge
[...]
Presumptuous twit.
But "extremely intelligent and very well educated". ;-)
Ragnusen Ultred
2018-04-10 00:32:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Char Jackson
But "extremely intelligent and very well educated". ;-)
Did I mention multiple degrees yet? :)
Rene Lamontagne
2018-04-10 01:11:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
But "extremely intelligent and very well educated". ;-)
Did I mention multiple degrees yet? :)
Yep, 360, means your running in a circle chasing your tail. :-)

Rene
Wolf K
2018-04-10 12:51:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Char Jackson
But "extremely intelligent and very well educated". ;-)
Did I mention multiple degrees yet? :)
"educated" and "having degrees" are not synonyms.
--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two
weeks ago."
Frank Slootweg
2018-04-10 13:35:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Wolf K
[...]
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
the group's tribal knowledge
[...]
Presumptuous twit.
But "extremely intelligent and very well educated". ;-)
And who "only speaks fact", except when he's lying through his teeth,
but that's only most of the time.

Anyway, he outed himself in this group (alt.comp.os.windows-10) as
well. He can't help it. It only takes so long for him to antagonize the
very people who are helping him.

It's mostly a clash of experience/expertise. As a person who suffers
severely from Dunning-Kruger effect, he can't handle it when a person
has more experience/expertise than he has. Then the foot-stamping and
yelling starts ('troll', 'child', 'senseless semantic games', 'zero
technical capability', zero helpful intent', 'Can you act like an
adult?', etc. ad infinitum).

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny that an "extremely
intelligent and very well educated" person does - apparently - not
realize that his foot-stamping/yelling is clear proof of the fact :-)
that he has no arguments to counter the arguments which were posed (and
which - in most cases - he dishonestly silently snipped).
Boris
2018-04-08 02:06:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The solution is said to work on both pro and regular Windows 10 too.
This is a better thread.
What is an effective way to tun off Windows 10 updates until YOU want them back on?
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?p=3749137
Was your original post to this ng titled: "Re: Forced to use Window 10 in
future"?

I ask because I did a 'get parent' on your "Re: Forced to use Window 10 in
future", but got nothing. I'm assuming that your original post was to the
forum named, and your original post to this ng was indeed titled "Re: Forced
to use Window 10 in future".

Yes? No?
Boris
2018-04-08 02:11:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The solution is said to work on both pro and regular Windows 10 too.
This is a better thread.
What is an effective way to tun off Windows 10 updates until YOU want
them
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
back on?
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?p=3749137
Was your original post to this ng titled: "Re: Forced to use Window 10 in
future"?
I ask because I did a 'get parent' on your "Re: Forced to use Window 10 in
future", but got nothing. I'm assuming that your original post was to the
forum named, and your original post to this ng was indeed titled "Re: Forced
to use Window 10 in future".
Yes? No?
Nevermind. I see Bill Ward was the op over on alt.comp.windows-10, and
one of your replies was posted not only to that ng, but here also.
tesla sTinker
2018-04-08 19:48:55 UTC
Permalink
your only forced by your own will and listening
to commy ms....
Post by Ragnusen Ultred
The solution is said to work on both pro and regular Windows 10 too.
This is a better thread.
What is an effective way to tun off Windows 10 updates until YOU want them back on?
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?p=3749137
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