Post by pjp Post by VanguardLH Post by pjp
I'm doing images of my various systems and collecting them on one hard
disk. I notice a very "wrong" sort ordering when viewing the files.
The names in question in the order the appear are
Shouldn't the INTELI5 entry appear at the bottom of this collection.
Think ascii character "-" comes before any letters but I haven't
checked. Reversing sort order keeps the anamoly, just reversed.
It's as if the hyphen is stripped from the filename before sorting.
Displayed on both Home and Pro 32 & 64 bit.
Now why the hell would anyone do that???
Sorting WHAT? Windows Explorer? There are lots of file managers or
other file tools.
If using Windows Explorer, are you clicking on the Name column header to
sort on that column? You show what appear to be only the filenames, so
you have the filetype hidden. Configure Windows Explorer to show the
extension (filetype): Tools -> Folder Options -> View tab, disable the
"Hide extensions for known file types" option. Could be you are mixing
filetypes in your sort.
No that's certainly not relevant seeing as I'm specifically talking
about folders here. The examples I gave are all image backups folders
made by Windows backup. In other words they are simply the names of the
various pcs and used as folder names, the image backup creates the
folders. There's nothing specifically special about any of them, just
have some files and folders inside them. Just seems so odd that the
hyphen for all intents and purposes doesn't seem to exist for the
sorting. It must get stripped out rather than even converted to a space
by the behaviour it exibits, e.g. INTEL-RECROOM becomes INTELRECROOM and
that's what it uses to do the sorting.
As I said very odd and not expected if nothing else.
One complication, is whether sorting is set for
"canonical sort order"
"numeric sort order"
At the moment, I don't have a good reference for what
the names could be, or what I should be searching for.
This is a hint, that there is more than one sort order.
The other detail about explorer is:
1) You can sort ascending or descending via one criterion.
The choice may be saved between sessions (using the
appropriate View button perhaps).
2) Via some trickery, it's possible to set the sort
criteria to "none". But this setting is not remembered,
and if you custom arrange things in an icon view, you're
likely to lose all your hand-sorts. Via a third party tool,
a tool which records icon position when you use a hotkey,
you can "make" a feature out of this.
3) The third one, I'd never hear of before until now.
For certain combinations of columns, Explorer supports
"shift-click" secondary selection. You can click the
Type field and have all the Applications ending in .exe
sorted into order. Then, if you hold the Shift key
and hit the Size field, the Applications stay together,
but their secondary sort order is via ascending or
Note that arbitrary combinations of columns do not work.
This is why you would not have discovered this by accident.
And... the most useful combinations don't work.
The only point of mentioning all this, is to give
you some idea how large the fault tree is for this
I'm pretty sure one of the sort orders by name is
called "canonical", but I don't know what exactly
the other one is called. Maybe someone else can find
an article with clearer examples.