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Clone SATA SSD to HDD then back to SATA SSD, etc.
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Paul in Houston TX
2018-07-03 22:44:16 UTC
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Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.

Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats? Lenovo T-420. SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.

The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD. I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.

Thanks.
GlowingBlueMist
2018-07-04 01:59:26 UTC
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Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
The quick answer is yes you can if the clone is done properly. As with
all cloning of Windows systems, do a shutdown after making the clone and
unplug the original disk/ssd before booting. If both are attached to
the PC during the initial boot or reboot Windows corrupts the newly made
clone.

Problems that might turn up is the motherboard might need to be changed
to ACHI or Legacy if the new drive is not recognized.

The good thing is you can put the motherboard back to where it was and
put the original drive back in and see what went wrong if needed.
Post by Paul in Houston TX
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats?  Lenovo T-420.  SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.
The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD.  I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.
If you find you do have to change the motherboard settings to get the
SSD booting, be sure to write down what you changed and tape it to the
original drive, just in case you or someone else needs to go back to the
spinning drive.
Paul in Houston TX
2018-07-04 02:09:48 UTC
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Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
The quick answer is yes you can if the clone is done properly. As with all cloning of
Windows systems, do a shutdown after making the clone and unplug the original disk/ssd
before booting. If both are attached to the PC during the initial boot or reboot Windows
corrupts the newly made clone.
Problems that might turn up is the motherboard might need to be changed to ACHI or Legacy
if the new drive is not recognized.
The good thing is you can put the motherboard back to where it was and put the original
drive back in and see what went wrong if needed.
Post by Paul in Houston TX
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats? Lenovo T-420. SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.
The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD. I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.
If you find you do have to change the motherboard settings to get the SSD booting, be sure
to write down what you changed and tape it to the original drive, just in case you or
someone else needs to go back to the spinning drive.
Thanks GBM. Good idea about taping the settings to the drive.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-07-04 08:20:13 UTC
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Post by GlowingBlueMist
Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
The quick answer is yes you can if the clone is done properly. As with
all cloning of Windows systems, do a shutdown after making the clone
and unplug the original disk/ssd before booting. If both are attached
to the PC during the initial boot or reboot Windows corrupts the newly
made clone.
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Or, don't make the clone from inside Windows anyway; boot from the
Macrium (or whatever) CD, and make the clone from there.

I think part of the problem is people tend to call the CD you make when
playing with Macrium (etc.) an "Emergency boot CD". I just call it my
"(Macrium) boot CD" - no mention of "Emergency". I don't think of it as
just emergency.

(Apart from anything else, if you boot from the CD whenever you're doing
imaging/cloning/similar operations, you'll check that your CD has not
deteriorated; if you only use it in emergency, that's _not_ the time you
want to discover it has suffered bit-rot.)

Disconnecting so that you only have one of the drives when you do the
(re)boot is still good advice.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

did you hear about the guy who was frozen to absolute zero? He was 0K ...
- Jason in alt.windows7.general (and three other 'groups), 2018-5-1
Paul
2018-07-04 08:48:04 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I think part of the problem is people tend to call the CD you make when
playing with Macrium (etc.) an "Emergency boot CD". I just call it my
"(Macrium) boot CD" - no mention of "Emergency". I don't think of it as
just emergency.
Now why do you think I call it that ?

To encourage people to make one.

So they won't come back later and say
"you know, I really should have made one of those,
but now my machine is trashed, and golly, I have
no way to restore C". Because you know
how prepared some people are.

Calling it Emergency, is to hint at a "sense of
preparedness".

If you have a well-stocked computer room,
of course you don't have to do a damn thing.
The sense of preparedness, is reserved for the
people who have... nothing.

Paul

Paul
2018-07-04 02:00:30 UTC
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Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats? Lenovo T-420. SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.
The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD. I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.
Thanks.
Well, it's Windows 7, so the partitions are already
aligned to 1MB by default. That makes for efficient
operation of the SSD. And you can clone back and
forth no problem - you just need two SATA ports,
or a SATA port for one, a USB to SATA for the other perhaps.

When Macrium makes clones, it changes the disk identifiers,
to reduce the risk of crazy stuff happening if both
disks are connected. The Emergency Boot CD that
Macrium makes, also has a Boot Repair if there is
trouble with booting. The Boot Repair can make minor
adjustments to the BCD file for you.

Paul
Paul in Houston TX
2018-07-04 02:11:16 UTC
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Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats? Lenovo T-420. SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.
The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD. I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.
Thanks.
Well, it's Windows 7, so the partitions are already
aligned to 1MB by default. That makes for efficient
operation of the SSD. And you can clone back and
forth no problem - you just need two SATA ports,
or a SATA port for one, a USB to SATA for the other perhaps.
When Macrium makes clones, it changes the disk identifiers,
to reduce the risk of crazy stuff happening if both
disks are connected. The Emergency Boot CD that
Macrium makes, also has a Boot Repair if there is
trouble with booting. The Boot Repair can make minor
adjustments to the BCD file for you.
Paul
Thanks Paul.
I might run to Microcenter tomorrow depending on traffic.
40 miles = 1.5 hours.
Paul
2018-07-04 03:01:03 UTC
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Post by Paul in Houston TX
Ok, same basic question as previous one about NVMe Pcie ssd to hdd and back
except this drive is a basic SSD for one of the company laptops.
Can I clone the HDD to SATA SSD, then swap drives and boot from the SSD?
Can I clone the SSD to HDD, then swap drives and boot from the HDD?
Any tips or caveats? Lenovo T-420. SSD will be Samsung 860 EVO, 500gb.
The HDD will be used as a backup drive in case something goes wrong
with the SSD. I need to be able to swap drives and get the laptop
up and running in just a few min.
Thanks.
Well, it's Windows 7, so the partitions are already
aligned to 1MB by default. That makes for efficient
operation of the SSD. And you can clone back and
forth no problem - you just need two SATA ports,
or a SATA port for one, a USB to SATA for the other perhaps.
When Macrium makes clones, it changes the disk identifiers,
to reduce the risk of crazy stuff happening if both
disks are connected. The Emergency Boot CD that
Macrium makes, also has a Boot Repair if there is
trouble with booting. The Boot Repair can make minor
adjustments to the BCD file for you.
Paul
Thanks Paul.
I might run to Microcenter tomorrow depending on traffic.
40 miles = 1.5 hours.
Modern civilization == Epic Journeys :-(

when I go shopping, I have tiny "windows of opportunity"
so as to not get stuck in traffic.

Paul
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