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T
2018-05-13 20:06:45 UTC
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Hi All,

W7-Pro x 64 & W10-Pro-1803

How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?


Many thanks,
-T
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GlowingBlueMist
2018-05-13 20:27:16 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't. If Windows can not find a drive letter for
it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist. Windows
will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
T
2018-05-13 20:38:05 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't.  If Windows can not find a drive letter for
it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist.  Windows
will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
I ask because I jsut got this from Second Copy Tech Support:

Second Copy may not be able to copy files to a drive
letter that is hidden that does not have a assigned
drive letter. Alternatively, you can create a share
name on the hidden drive and as long as that share
is visible and accessible, Second Copy can copy files
using UNC pathname instead of the drive letter.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Paul
2018-05-14 00:40:06 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64 & W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't. If Windows can not find a drive letter
for it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist.
Windows will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
Second Copy may not be able to copy files to a drive
letter that is hidden that does not have a assigned
drive letter. Alternatively, you can create a share
name on the hidden drive and as long as that share
is visible and accessible, Second Copy can copy files
using UNC pathname instead of the drive letter.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.

"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Paul
T
2018-05-14 01:14:07 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't.  If Windows can not find a drive letter
for it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist.
Windows will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
      Second Copy may not be able to copy files to a drive
      letter that is hidden that does not have a assigned
      drive letter.  Alternatively, you can create a share
      name on the hidden drive and as long as that share
      is visible and accessible, Second Copy can copy files
      using UNC pathname instead of the drive letter.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
   Paul
Hi Paul,

Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference! Thank you!

I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.

-T
Diesel
2018-05-14 01:28:59 UTC
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Post by T
Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't.  If Windows can not find a drive
let
ter
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for it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not
exist. Windows will not try to share things it has no knowledge
of.
      Second Copy may not be able to copy fil
es to a drive
Post by Paul
      letter that is hidden that does not hav
e a assigned
Post by Paul
      drive letter.  Alternatively, you
can create a share
Post by Paul
      name on the hidden drive and as long as
that share
Post by Paul
      is visible and accessible, Second Copy
can copy files
Post by Paul
      using UNC pathname instead of the drive
letter.
Post by Paul
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%
28v=
vs.85%29.aspx
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   Paul
Hi Paul,
Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference! Thank you!
I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.
-T
Are you trying to do this to prevent unauthorized access to the
contents of the partition?
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2018-05-14 01:31:30 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64 & W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't. If Windows can not find a drive letter
for it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist.
Windows will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
Second Copy may not be able to copy files to a drive
letter that is hidden that does not have a assigned
drive letter. Alternatively, you can create a share
name on the hidden drive and as long as that share
is visible and accessible, Second Copy can copy files
using UNC pathname instead of the drive letter.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
Paul
Hi Paul,
Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference! Thank you!
I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.
-T
What do you see on your setup, when using the "net use" command ?

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16196/how-to-disconnect-non-mapped-unc-path-drives-in-windows/

Paul
T
2018-05-14 02:55:21 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
Many thanks,
-T
As far as I know you don't.  If Windows can not find a drive letter
for it then as far as it Windows is concerned it does not exist.
Windows will not try to share things it has no knowledge of.
      Second Copy may not be able to copy files to a drive
      letter that is hidden that does not have a assigned
      drive letter.  Alternatively, you can create a share
      name on the hidden drive and as long as that share
      is visible and accessible, Second Copy can copy files
      using UNC pathname instead of the drive letter.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
    Paul
Hi Paul,
Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference!  Thank you!
I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.
-T
What do you see on your setup, when using the "net use" command ?
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16196/how-to-disconnect-non-mapped-unc-path-drives-in-windows/
   Paul
Hi Paul,

Did not see anything helpful.

I don't think I can do this.

As a test, I gave a drive a drive letter, shared it, and
used Windows Explorer to make sure the share was working.

Then I removed the drive letter and the share stopped working

-T
B00ze
2018-05-15 04:32:08 UTC
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Hi Paul,
Did not see anything helpful.
I don't think I can do this.
As a test, I gave a drive a drive letter, shared it, and
used Windows Explorer to make sure the share was working.
Then I removed the drive letter and the share stopped working
How about using admin shares?

i.e. net use x: \\localhost\c$\Folder\Example

But maybe they disappear when you remove the drive letter? I know there
is a way to access devices directly with \\.\ but I am having a hard
drive finding something that works. For instance, "fltmc volumes" lists
the volumes, but I can't get DIR to work with them (nor NET USE.)

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2018-05-15 05:45:57 UTC
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Hi Paul,
Did not see anything helpful.
I don't think I can do this.
As a test, I gave a drive a drive letter, shared it, and
used Windows Explorer to make sure the share was working.
Then I removed the drive letter and the share stopped working
How about using admin shares?
i.e. net use x: \\localhost\c$\Folder\Example
But maybe they disappear when you remove the drive letter? I know there
is a way to access devices directly with \\.\ but I am having a hard
drive finding something that works. For instance, "fltmc volumes" lists
the volumes, but I can't get DIR to work with them (nor NET USE.)
Regards,
Ya, they disappear when you remove the drive letter. Personal
Back tech support got back wit me today and they reproduced
the same thing.

Looks like I am back to using Cobian Backup. Wish Macrium
did not use proprietary formats. Seen that hostage
situation too many times. If it can't be read with Thunar,
it is a deal killer (I told their sales rep such and
their tech support that too).
Frank Slootweg
2018-05-15 09:56:56 UTC
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Ya, they disappear when you remove the drive letter. Personal
Back tech support got back wit me today and they reproduced
the same thing.
Looks like I am back to using Cobian Backup. Wish Macrium
did not use proprietary formats. Seen that hostage
situation too many times. If it can't be read with Thunar,
it is a deal killer (I told their sales rep such and
their tech support that too).
I use Cobian Backup for file backup and Macrium Reflect (FREE) for
image backup. So the format which Macrium uses is effectively a
non-issue. Why is it an issue for you?

Not that I'm looking for alternatives, but do you have some URL(s) for
'Personal Back' or/and 'Second Copy'? These names are too ambiguous for
a Google search. Thanks.
T
2018-05-15 23:04:12 UTC
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Post by T
Ya, they disappear when you remove the drive letter. Personal
Back tech support got back wit me today and they reproduced
the same thing.
Looks like I am back to using Cobian Backup. Wish Macrium
did not use proprietary formats. Seen that hostage
situation too many times. If it can't be read with Thunar,
it is a deal killer (I told their sales rep such and
their tech support that too).
I use Cobian Backup for file backup and Macrium Reflect (FREE) for
image backup. So the format which Macrium uses is effectively a
non-issue. Why is it an issue for you?
I use Clone Zilla for images.

I was trying to use Macrium to back up certain files, not
a clone. Certain files go into a proprietary archive. Deal
killer. Fails the Thunar test.

Macrium pluses:
World class tech support
will operate on hidden (no drive letter) drives
reasonable price
impressive interface

Minuses:
eMail reports don't work (although the test does)
unable to set frequency of incremental backups, just the start time
files backed up are not readable by standard file browsers
Post by Frank Slootweg
Not that I'm looking for alternatives, but do you have some URL(s) for
'Personal Back' or/and 'Second Copy'? These names are too ambiguous for
a Google search. Thanks.
Personal Back:
does not eMail reports unless you pay up (price is not unreasonable)
does not backup to hidden drives (no drive letter)

Second Copy:
does not backup to hidden drives (no drive letter)
Every directory you backup is a separate task, which is a
pain in the ass!

Since I have coded wrappers for Cobian to work with hidden drives
and to rotate archives to my liking, I will stick with Cobian.

I am getting better and better at Perl 6. So ultimately, if I
am going to be so picky, I should ultimately code what I want.
But what a pain in the ass.
Paul
2018-05-15 11:47:51 UTC
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Hi Paul,
Did not see anything helpful.
I don't think I can do this.
As a test, I gave a drive a drive letter, shared it, and
used Windows Explorer to make sure the share was working.
Then I removed the drive letter and the share stopped working
How about using admin shares?
i.e. net use x: \\localhost\c$\Folder\Example
But maybe they disappear when you remove the drive letter? I know
there is a way to access devices directly with \\.\ but I am having a
hard drive finding something that works. For instance, "fltmc volumes"
lists the volumes, but I can't get DIR to work with them (nor NET USE.)
Regards,
Ya, they disappear when you remove the drive letter. Personal
Back tech support got back wit me today and they reproduced
the same thing.
Looks like I am back to using Cobian Backup. Wish Macrium
did not use proprietary formats. Seen that hostage
situation too many times. If it can't be read with Thunar,
it is a deal killer (I told their sales rep such and
their tech support that too).
So what you're doing then, is hunting for an "imaging" program,
one that captures both files and metadata, and then wishing
that when it stores its output, it only stored it as files
(without metadata) ?

You can't have one without the other. And a backup is no good,
if you "make it easy to lose bits and pieces".

*******

If you want a file by file backup program, then find a file
by file backup program. But don't come back and complain that
"after a restore, it wouldn't boot".

Here's an idea for you, a silly idea, but an idea none-the-less.

1) Make a backup in image format (you know, one of those
evil proprietary formats).

2) Immediately do a second file-by-file backup, which only
collects the files and their data, and it collects no
permissions, attributes, or sufficient metadata to allow
booting. This second backup is solely for the purpose
of meeting your "access" requirement.

You could, for example, do (2) with Robocopy, and (1) with Macrium.

And for God sake, look up how to freeze a partition with VSS,
so when you run Robocopy, run it against a *frozen* copy of
C:, not against C: itself. That way, all the files will be
in a consistent state. This is the same thing that Macrium
does - it prefers to use VSS, for the consistency it brings
to backups of C: . And don't forget to release the shadow
after you're done with it. The system only has room for
64 of them.

Paul
T
2018-05-15 23:27:33 UTC
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So what you're doing then, is hunting for an "imaging" program,
Hi Paul,

Actually no. I got Clone Zilla for that. I just want
individual folders
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*******
If you want a file by file backup program, then find a file
by file backup program. But don't come back and complain that
"after a restore, it wouldn't boot".
I find it is better to start over from scratch with
Windows and do a fresh install. It dumps all the
sins of the past. This way I start the customer over
with only what they need. Then they can start adding
jammed updates, junkware, viruses, and other weird
stuff back ALL ON THEIR OWN.

So I only want files and directories. Don't even
want NTFS attributes. And I want history. Customers
typically back up corrupted stuff.

I got back a missing for three years directory for a customer
a months ago. She got so, so lucky! I am still in
wonder. And he backup did not work either.

And I want to backup to hidden partition so that ransomware
leaves it alone.

Oh, and I do my damnedest to get folks off of Outleak.

You can read doc, docs, xls, xlsx with LibreOffice while
they are protesting that they actually bought Office.

:'(

You should see the backup scheme I use on my office computer,
but it is Fedora and Linux has all the cool tools.

Thank you for all the help and tips!

-T
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2018-05-14 06:02:03 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=
vs.85%29.aspx
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   Paul
Hi Paul,
Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference! Thank you!
I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.
-T
Try creating a share for the drive or whatever portion you want
accessable while the drive still has a letter assigned so you can work
with it. After the share is created, then remove the drive letter. The
share should remain functional. Since you are hiding the drive, I would
be very precise in what access I would allow to anyone using the share.
T
2018-05-14 09:22:29 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
I don't know what you're trying to do, but there's a
Microsoft web page on naming conventions.
"Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces"
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247%28v=
vs.85%29.aspx
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   Paul
Hi Paul,
Not what I am trying to do, but I love the reference! Thank you!
I am trying to hide the drive letter of a partition on a drive
and share the partition as a Windows network share.
-T
Try creating a share for the drive or whatever portion you want
accessable while the drive still has a letter assigned so you can work
with it. After the share is created, then remove the drive letter. The
share should remain functional. Since you are hiding the drive, I would
be very precise in what access I would allow to anyone using the share.
see my 7:55 pm entry
Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-05-16 15:03:08 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
First, to assign a drive letter?
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2018-05-17 16:06:06 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
First, to assign a drive letter?
The connection drops after you remove the drive letter
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2018-05-17 18:53:12 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
First, to assign a drive letter?
The connection drops after you remove the drive letter
Then you don't remove the drive letter!! Alternatively, try to script
the process,
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2018-05-18 17:07:29 UTC
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Hi All,
W7-Pro x 64   &   W10-Pro-1803
How do I network a partition on a drive that I have
removed (hidden) the drive letter?
First, to assign a drive letter?
The connection drops after you remove the drive letter
Then you don't remove the drive letter!! Alternatively, try to script
the process,
I what the drive letter gone so ransomware will leave it alone

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