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SteveGG
2017-05-31 20:00:29 UTC
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I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
eliminate the 2nd listing but get the "don't have access" type error.
Post this periodically to see if anyone can shed light, but so far NG.
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Big Al
2017-05-31 20:22:37 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
eliminate the 2nd listing but get the "don't have access" type error.
Post this periodically to see if anyone can shed light, but so far NG.
So what have you tried??? That might help us eliminate the obvious maybe.

But my first would be
chkdsk /F C:
from an elevated command prompt.
Paul
2017-05-31 20:23:44 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
eliminate the 2nd listing but get the "don't have access" type error.
Post this periodically to see if anyone can shed light, but so far NG.
You have a folder with an illegal name. Like a space
character on the end of the name or something.

Explorer evaluates the name the first time, draws
the list, then decides the name is illegal, snips
off the rotten part, evaluates the name again,
lists the files.

Use a copy of Everything.exe, which has a "generate
file list option". Use the *portable* version, which
you unpack from the ZIP, as in

everything.exe -create-filelist output.txt "C:"

( http://www.voidtools.com/downloads/ )

then go through the list and find the Program Files entry.
Since the list is CSV and file names are separated by
commas, you should be able to spot an anomaly there.
You can open the output.txt file with Notepad.

I don't think Program Files uses a junction point, but,
maybe it does. I suppose such a possibility might exist
so that users can move their Program Files folder to
D: or something. Is your folder like this ?

D:\Program Files

Did you make a concerted effort at some time,
to move Program Files to D: for space management
reasons ? Maybe that has contributed to your
symptoms today. Maybe at some point you tried to
move the Program Files folder back to C: . Or,
perhaps you repair installed the OS, and the Program
Files got moved back to C: at that point.

Think about the history of that folder, and what
you've done to it...

*******

The "junction" program, can provide information about
junction points. The general mechanism is called a
reparse point (meaning, "the OS must reconsider this folder"),
and new features can be added to the file system, by means
of adding reparse information into a certain metadata file.
A junction point them, requires the OS to reconsider the
folder, and use the right filter to decide how to
display the folder or file involved.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768

Don't use the "create" or "delete" functions right away.
Just use the "list" options.

Paul
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-06-01 07:02:21 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
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Post by Paul
You have a folder with an illegal name. Like a space
character on the end of the name or something.
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If that was the case, would things he did in the 1st be reflected in the
duplicate 2nd?

I've seen something similar (on friend's systems, not mine AFAICR) - I
think it was under XP: two copies of the same drive (e. g. two lots of
drive W:). Though IIRR both were accessible, though I'm not sure about
that. I don't think we ever got to the bottom of what caused it, and I
think it's not happening now.
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I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up
early on Sundays to apologize for being human.
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Paul
2017-06-01 19:19:13 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
[]
Post by Paul
You have a folder with an illegal name. Like a space
character on the end of the name or something.
[]
If that was the case, would things he did in the 1st be reflected in the
duplicate 2nd?
I've seen something similar (on friend's systems, not mine AFAICR) - I
think it was under XP: two copies of the same drive (e. g. two lots of
drive W:). Though IIRR both were accessible, though I'm not sure about
that. I don't think we ever got to the bottom of what caused it, and I
think it's not happening now.
You could check Mountvol and see if there was more
than one entry or something crazy like that.

Paul
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-06-01 21:45:20 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I've seen something similar (on friend's systems, not mine AFAICR) -
I think it was under XP: two copies of the same drive (e. g. two lots
of drive W:). Though IIRR both were accessible, though I'm not sure
about that. I don't think we ever got to the bottom of what caused
it, and I think it's not happening now.
You could check Mountvol and see if there was more
than one entry or something crazy like that.
[]
I've never used Mountvol (-:. Anyway, I don't think it always happened,
only sometimes - and some years ago, I don't think we've seen it for
ages (not sure he's even still got the same system); I just mentioned it
in the context of the duplicate directory.
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Good Guy
2017-05-31 20:37:18 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
eliminate the 2nd listing but get the "don't have access" type error.
Post this periodically to see if anyone can shed light, but so far NG.
You need to go back to Windows XP or Windows 98SE because your level of
intelligence is below par expected of a normal Windows user. You are
abnormal, high on drugs and hallucinating almost daily.

Have you thought of installing Linux? I'm sure you'll find many nutters
like you still using Linux. They don't have to produce anything useful
so they are quite relaxed about using it.

Hope this helps.
--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
SteveGG
2017-05-31 21:28:33 UTC
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Ah, always the same jerk, with another assinine comment ...
David E. Ross
2017-06-01 00:48:07 UTC
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Ah, always the same jerk, with another assinine comment ...
Don't feed the troll. That is, never reply to him.
J.O. Aho
2017-06-01 05:09:10 UTC
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<pre wrap="">I've had this interesting but not too bothersome (TG) thing for quite
a while. The Explorer lists a duplicate and completely identical
version of C:\Program Files, following the 1st. If I try to access
anything in the 2nd listing, I get the "can't find" type error.
Everything in the 1st listing works fine so no big deal. I just ignore
the 2nd non-functional listing. Everything done with the 1st is
immediately reflected in the duplicate 2nd. Of coarse I'd like to
eliminate the 2nd listing but get the "don't have access" type error.
Post this periodically to see if anyone can shed light, but so far NG.
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<p>You need to go back to Windows XP or Windows 98SE because your
level of intelligence is below par expected of a normal Windows
user.  You are abnormal, high on drugs and hallucinating almost
daily.</p>
<p>Have you thought of installing Linux?  I'm sure you'll find
many nutters like you still using Linux.  They don't have to
produce anything useful so they are quite relaxed about using
it.<br>
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SteveGG
2017-05-31 21:02:01 UTC
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I don't know how to get to an "elevated" C: prompt.
In Widows, it doesn't recognized the command. I think I may have a
service disabled for whatever's needed. Will take a look ....
SteveGG
2017-05-31 21:26:33 UTC
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Nothing in disabled services that I can recognize as needed.
Paul
2017-05-31 21:49:17 UTC
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I don't know how to get to an "elevated" C: prompt.
In Widows, it doesn't recognized the command. I think I may have a
service disabled for whatever's needed. Will take a look ....
Type "cmd" in the Win7 box. The top-returned item
by the search will be the Program known as "cmd".

If you right-click that entry, there is a Run As Administrator
available to you. Use it. When the Command Prompt opens,
it will be CD'ed to the System32 directory, and it
should say "Administrator" in the title bar. The
elevated Command Prompt has a different working
directory and title, than the non-elevated Command Prompt.

This is summarized in the following picture.

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Things typed inside that Command Prompt window are "elevated".

*******

If you need to change the working directory, you
can do it like this.

cd /d C:\home\steve\Downloads

before you type in some command you want to try out.

cd /d C:\home\steve\Downloads
dir
<some_command_needing_administrator>

HTH,
Paul
SteveGG
2017-06-01 11:55:07 UTC
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Thanks all for very useful info.

I have run chkdsk and nothing anomalous turned up, and still have the
troublesome "mirror like" 2nd listing of C:\Program Files .

Further thoughts and suggestions are most welcome and thanks,

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Char Jackson
2017-06-15 16:26:00 UTC
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Post by SteveGG
Thanks all for very useful info.
I have run chkdsk and nothing anomalous turned up, and still have the
troublesome "mirror like" 2nd listing of C:\Program Files .
Further thoughts and suggestions are most welcome and thanks,
Please post one or more links to pictures of what you're seeing. You
might also want to provide a step by step click guide to what you're
doing when you see the dupe folder.
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SteveGG
2017-06-01 21:16:54 UTC
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Additional info : In Explorer, while the branch structure of C: is
being displayed, if the C: drive is selected by clicking, then all the
dirrectories then displayed by this action DO NOT contain the extra
2nd copy of Program Files. Yet as always, the 2nd extra copy persists
everywher else as before. Perhaps this one exception is a clue to the
problem ?
Paul
2017-06-01 23:25:50 UTC
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Additional info : In Explorer, while the branch structure of C: is
being displayed, if the C: drive is selected by clicking, then all the
dirrectories then displayed by this action DO NOT contain the extra
2nd copy of Program Files. Yet as always, the 2nd extra copy persists
everywher else as before. Perhaps this one exception is a clue to the
problem ?
A 64 bit OS has two folders for program installation. The 64-bit
installations go in the first folder. The 32-bit
installations go in the second folder. To "demonstrate" to users
why they both exist, Microsoft typically puts Internet Explorer
in both folders, so the user receives both 64-bit and 32-bit versions
(on a 64-bit OS).

C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)

On a 32-bit OS, only 32-bit executables would work. There would
only be the one folder on a 32-bit OS.

Between the Control Panel known as "System" and
the output of "winver", you can get some idea what
OS you're using. If you're using a 64-bit OS, it's
likely "64" will show in System. Whereas if you're running
32-bit, there might not be an identifier in that case to
make identification easy.

Administrator commands such as

slmgr /dlv

read out the activation status of the OS.

Paul
SteveGG
2017-06-02 00:06:05 UTC
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Paul,

I have a 64-bit system (Widows Home) with also a Program Files (x86)
folder, for a total of 3. I wanted everything to be in one Program
Files folder and have been moving apps (using a good application mover
app) from the Program Files (x86) folder to the 1st of the 2 Program
Files folders. Some apps refused to be moved and I still have the
Program Files (x86) folder (diminished). Everything works fine, except
for the duplicate listings in Explorer and hope I haven't caused any
problems by moving things.

Thanks for comments and info, and any further.

Steve
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