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Thunderbird nefarious activities ????
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OGEE
2018-06-20 15:07:48 UTC
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I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.

CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!! Why ???

What nefarious actions is it taking ?

How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
Big Al
2018-06-20 15:23:18 UTC
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I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!!   Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
You might have more luck posting in the mozilla.support.thunderbird
group in the news.mozilla.org server.
Wolf K
2018-06-20 15:25:29 UTC
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I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!!   Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
Version? I had this problem once in a while quite some versions ago.

Anyhow, just Stop it from Task Manager/Process Explorer. Reboot the
machine, and try again.
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Mayayana
2018-06-20 17:29:01 UTC
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"OGEE" <***@NOWHERETHEN.COM> wrote

| I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
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| CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
| is still there !!! Why ???
|
| What nefarious actions is it taking ?
|
| How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?

As with any software, you can check. Run Process
Explorer to see what it's doing on disk. Run online
monitors to see if it's calling somewhere.

Beyond that, disable auto updating and the
call-home functions. ("Telemetry", etc.)
OGEE
2018-06-20 20:14:02 UTC
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How do I disable ?
Mayayana
2018-06-20 22:02:41 UTC
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"OGEE" <***@OGEE.com> wrote

| How do I disable ?
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Look in the settings. Tools -> Options.

Disable the "Data Choices" things. Disable update.
That should stop it going online unbidden. Then
Process monitor can tell you if it's doing
something local.
Paul
2018-06-20 19:11:45 UTC
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I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
I don't know how to debug it, but here's an example of
Thunderbird doing the loop-de-loop. People seem to be
focused on GLODA, which is an email content indexer intended
to aid in some kind of "search".

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362483

Thunderbird is a masterpiece of asynchronous activity. It's
compacting. It's fetching newsgroups (out of order and opening
multiple connections to the news server while doing so). It's
running indexing via GLODA. It slices, dices and makes
Julian fries. People might assume a program for composing
email or reading USENET articles would be a "passive" program,
but that's hardly the case for TBird. It's as busy behind
the scenes, as a copy of Windows 10 is.

Paul
Boris
2018-06-20 20:40:57 UTC
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Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
I don't know how to debug it, but here's an example of
Thunderbird doing the loop-de-loop. People seem to be
focused on GLODA, which is an email content indexer intended
to aid in some kind of "search".
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362483
Thunderbird is a masterpiece of asynchronous activity. It's
compacting. It's fetching newsgroups (out of order and opening
multiple connections to the news server while doing so). It's
running indexing via GLODA. It slices, dices and makes
Julian fries. People might assume a program for composing
email or reading USENET articles would be a "passive" program,
but that's hardly the case for TBird. It's as busy behind
the scenes, as a copy of Windows 10 is.
Paul
I think you put it best on 2/10/2018:

"As for the overall design, Thunderbird is a busy busy pile of
steaming crap."

Full context can be found here:

<p5o4ou$r2v$***@dont-email.me>
Paul
2018-06-20 21:35:36 UTC
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Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
I don't know how to debug it, but here's an example of
Thunderbird doing the loop-de-loop. People seem to be
focused on GLODA, which is an email content indexer intended
to aid in some kind of "search".
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362483
Thunderbird is a masterpiece of asynchronous activity. It's
compacting. It's fetching newsgroups (out of order and opening
multiple connections to the news server while doing so). It's
running indexing via GLODA. It slices, dices and makes
Julian fries. People might assume a program for composing
email or reading USENET articles would be a "passive" program,
but that's hardly the case for TBird. It's as busy behind
the scenes, as a copy of Windows 10 is.
Paul
"As for the overall design, Thunderbird is a busy busy pile of
steaming crap."
The problems are more fun, when you can reproduce them.
Whatever I was working on there, I had some way to
reproduce, then run the tools such as they are.

You could look with Process Explorer, as it shows some
of the routines being called, in the part that's
"busy on one core" and has a high cycle count. In this
(poor) example, I used SuperPI to keep the CPU busy,
then pointed Process Explorer at it, to see why
it's busy. The string on the right doesn't have
a particularly illuminating name, but Thunderbird
might be different. Note that, if using Process Explorer
to "look inside" a SVCHOST, the Process Explorer
has to be "Run As Administrator". For this example,
that wasn't necessary.

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The Sysinternals utility Process Monitor can also give information,
if for example there's a lot of file I/O. Process Explorer and
Process Monitor are available here. For WinXP, the current version
might not work, and you might have to look for older versions
if wishing to use them.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/

Paul
Johnny
2018-06-20 21:12:52 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:07:48 -0700
Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and
Thunderburd is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
By using Claws Mail.

https://www.claws-mail.org/win32/

I used Thunderbird from the time it first came out, and changed to
Claws Mail about three years ago, I would never use Thunderbird again.

If you like the way Thunderbird is laid out, you can make Claws Mail
look almost like it.

I admit it takes a while to learn to set it up properly, but it's worth
it.

If you check Claws Mail with System Monitor, it says it's sleeping.

It renders HTML as plain text by default, but you can change it.

You can also filter on a phrase in the headers.
Shadow
2018-06-21 02:13:58 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:07:48 -0700
Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and
Thunderburd is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
By using Claws Mail.
https://www.claws-mail.org/win32/
I used Thunderbird from the time it first came out, and changed to
Claws Mail about three years ago, I would never use Thunderbird again.
If you like the way Thunderbird is laid out, you can make Claws Mail
look almost like it.
I admit it takes a while to learn to set it up properly, but it's worth
it.
If you check Claws Mail with System Monitor, it says it's sleeping.
It renders HTML as plain text by default, but you can change it.
You can also filter on a phrase in the headers.
Or Sylpheed. Preferably made portable. I've never caught it
doing anything "naughty".

https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/doc/faq/en/sylpheed-faq-2.html

//If sylpheed.ini file exists at the same location as sylpheed.exe, it
will be loaded at startup. With this approach, you can make Sylpheed
completely portable independent of drive letters etc., and you can
install it in removable media such as USB memory. //
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Shadow
2018-06-21 02:13:58 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:07:48 -0700
Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and
Thunderburd is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
By using Claws Mail.
https://www.claws-mail.org/win32/
I used Thunderbird from the time it first came out, and changed to
Claws Mail about three years ago, I would never use Thunderbird again.
If you like the way Thunderbird is laid out, you can make Claws Mail
look almost like it.
I admit it takes a while to learn to set it up properly, but it's worth
it.
If you check Claws Mail with System Monitor, it says it's sleeping.
It renders HTML as plain text by default, but you can change it.
You can also filter on a phrase in the headers.
Or Sylpheed. Preferably made portable. I've never caught it
doing anything "naughty".

https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/doc/faq/en/sylpheed-faq-2.html

//If sylpheed.ini file exists at the same location as sylpheed.exe, it
will be loaded at startup. With this approach, you can make Sylpheed
completely portable independent of drive letters etc., and you can
install it in removable media such as USB memory. //
[]'s
--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Johnny
2018-06-20 21:12:52 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:07:48 -0700
Post by OGEE
I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and
Thunderburd is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
By using Claws Mail.

https://www.claws-mail.org/win32/

I used Thunderbird from the time it first came out, and changed to
Claws Mail about three years ago, I would never use Thunderbird again.

If you like the way Thunderbird is laid out, you can make Claws Mail
look almost like it.

I admit it takes a while to learn to set it up properly, but it's worth
it.

If you check Claws Mail with System Monitor, it says it's sleeping.

It renders HTML as plain text by default, but you can change it.

You can also filter on a phrase in the headers.
David E. Ross
2018-06-20 22:50:04 UTC
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I close Thunderburd because it is pull 50% of my CPU.
CPU usage does not go down so I check Process Explorer and Thunderburd
is still there !!! Why ???
What nefarious actions is it taking ?
How do I make it stop eating all my CPU time ?
I am reading this thread with the following:
* Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 (x64)
* Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/52.8.0
* AVG Anti-Virus Free 18.4.3056
* 16 .xpi extensions active
* Intel Core i5-3340 CPU (four) 3.10 GHz, x64; memory caches: 256 Kb
primary, 1024 kB secondary, 6144 kB tertiary
* Corsair VS1GB533D2 memory, 8068 MB in two DIMM1 slots

In a single Thunderbird session, I just now read several E-mail
messages, looked at some RSS feed messages (which I deleted), and then
read this newsgroup thread. I do not see this problem.
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