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Browser social media tabs
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Ed Cryer
2018-03-04 13:33:27 UTC
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I've recently started getting webpages with Firefox which have a strip
of tabs down the left hand side; and they overlap the page itself. When
I mouse over them they move in further rightwards.
Only on some pages.
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Same with IE on one I tried.

How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.

Ed
Mayayana
2018-03-04 14:30:44 UTC
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"Ed Cryer" <***@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote

| How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
|
Some possibilities:

1) If you have the DOM Inspector/Element Inspector
add-ons (I'm not sure how these get installed. They're
under Tools -> Web Developer) then you can right-click
the bar, click Inspect Element, then look for a class
or ID. Then, in your profile folder, find the chrome
folder and find userContent.css in there. Create it if it
doesn't exist. You can add your own CSS there.

If you know nothing about CSS you might need to
look it up. Basically, it specifies how things should
be displayed. If you know the class or ID of an element
you can remove it with your own CSS.

It looks like what you're looking for might be this:

.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}


But I'm not sure. It seems to be dynamically created
with script. It's easier if you have the Element Inspector
to figure out the class or ID of the element, but I can't
see that bar in either Firefox or Pale Moon, so I can't
check it. (And I'm certainly not going to enable script
for a site called troubleshooter.xyz. :)

-----------------------------------------------------

2) Have you considered disabling script when possible?
I disable script in Pale Moon and use NoScript in FF. In
neither browser do I see that bar. My guess is that the
bar is drawn with script, as SVG images. Since I can't
see the bar I'm not sure.

-----------------------------------------------------
3) Sometimes a HOSTS file update will help. If you
see junk coming from advertisers, Facebook, etc you
can block those in HOSTS.

----------------------------------------------------

Probably #2 is your easiest option.... and a good
idea for security. #1 will be more specific but might
not be easy. And it requires finding a somewhat unique
ID or class that you can hide.

It's a sticky problem because there's a dual issue
involved:

1) Incompetence: Most webmasters are somewhat
incompetent and want lots of pizzazz on their page.
It's a case of follow-the-leader. Most don't actually
know much about coding a page. They just pass
around snippets to keep up with the pizzazz on other
pages. Add to that the fact that coding a webpage
is more art than science. What works in one browser
may not work in another. As pages get more complex,
more are broken. I increasingly find I need to use
View -> Style -> No Style just to read a page.
Often it's because things are sitting on top. Often
it's because the font is so gigantic, with triple line
spacing intended for mobile devices, that it's hard to
read.

Recently I was pleasantly surprised to find that
Wired.com works again. :) They seem to be a restless
bunch who remake their site periodically. The latest
version happens to be readable. The last one had several
columns of text showing on top of each other.

2) Arms race: Ads and spyware are how most commercial
sites are making money. They want to know who you are
and they want points from advertisers. As fast as people
figure out ways to block intrusive things, the coders will
come up with ways to get around it.
Ed Cryer
2018-03-04 17:38:29 UTC
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Post by Mayayana
| How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
|
1) If you have the DOM Inspector/Element Inspector
add-ons (I'm not sure how these get installed. They're
under Tools -> Web Developer) then you can right-click
the bar, click Inspect Element, then look for a class
or ID. Then, in your profile folder, find the chrome
folder and find userContent.css in there. Create it if it
doesn't exist. You can add your own CSS there.
If you know nothing about CSS you might need to
look it up. Basically, it specifies how things should
be displayed. If you know the class or ID of an element
you can remove it with your own CSS.
.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}
But I'm not sure. It seems to be dynamically created
with script. It's easier if you have the Element Inspector
to figure out the class or ID of the element, but I can't
see that bar in either Firefox or Pale Moon, so I can't
check it. (And I'm certainly not going to enable script
for a site called troubleshooter.xyz. :)
-----------------------------------------------------
2) Have you considered disabling script when possible?
I disable script in Pale Moon and use NoScript in FF. In
neither browser do I see that bar. My guess is that the
bar is drawn with script, as SVG images. Since I can't
see the bar I'm not sure.
-----------------------------------------------------
3) Sometimes a HOSTS file update will help. If you
see junk coming from advertisers, Facebook, etc you
can block those in HOSTS.
----------------------------------------------------
Probably #2 is your easiest option.... and a good
idea for security. #1 will be more specific but might
not be easy. And it requires finding a somewhat unique
ID or class that you can hide.
It's a sticky problem because there's a dual issue
1) Incompetence: Most webmasters are somewhat
incompetent and want lots of pizzazz on their page.
It's a case of follow-the-leader. Most don't actually
know much about coding a page. They just pass
around snippets to keep up with the pizzazz on other
pages. Add to that the fact that coding a webpage
is more art than science. What works in one browser
may not work in another. As pages get more complex,
more are broken. I increasingly find I need to use
View -> Style -> No Style just to read a page.
Often it's because things are sitting on top. Often
it's because the font is so gigantic, with triple line
spacing intended for mobile devices, that it's hard to
read.
Recently I was pleasantly surprised to find that
Wired.com works again. :) They seem to be a restless
bunch who remake their site periodically. The latest
version happens to be readable. The last one had several
columns of text showing on top of each other.
2) Arms race: Ads and spyware are how most commercial
sites are making money. They want to know who you are
and they want points from advertisers. As fast as people
figure out ways to block intrusive things, the coders will
come up with ways to get around it.
Thanks for help and suggestions.
Before I launch into them, though, I'd appreciate you telling me if you
get anything similar with the webpage of which I sent the screenshot;
http://troubleshooter.xyz/wiki/fix-mmc-could-not-create-the-snap-in/

I've tried it on Opera and Safari, and the tabs appear on both. They
appear about a second after all the rest of the page has loaded.
I've also opened ten of my usual sites, and no sign of the tabs in any
of them

The webpage doesn't contain your "fixed-widget-container" nor just
".q2". But there are some scripts on it that look a bit guilty.

Ed
Ed Cryer
2018-03-04 18:02:50 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Mayayana
| How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
|
1)  If you have the DOM Inspector/Element Inspector
add-ons (I'm not sure how these get installed. They're
under Tools -> Web Developer) then you can right-click
the bar, click Inspect Element, then look for a class
or ID. Then, in your profile folder, find the chrome
folder and find userContent.css in there. Create it if it
doesn't exist. You can add your own CSS there.
   If you know nothing about CSS you might need to
look it up. Basically, it specifies how things should
be displayed. If you know the class or ID of an element
you can remove it with your own CSS.
.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}
   But I'm not sure. It seems to be dynamically created
with script. It's easier if you have the Element Inspector
to figure out the class or ID of the element, but I can't
see that bar in either Firefox or Pale Moon, so I can't
check it. (And I'm certainly not going to enable script
for a site called troubleshooter.xyz. :)
-----------------------------------------------------
2) Have you considered disabling script when possible?
I disable script in Pale Moon and use NoScript in FF. In
neither browser do I see that bar. My guess is that the
bar is drawn with script, as SVG images. Since I can't
see the bar I'm not sure.
-----------------------------------------------------
3) Sometimes a HOSTS file update will help. If you
see junk coming from advertisers, Facebook, etc you
can block those in HOSTS.
----------------------------------------------------
   Probably #2 is your easiest option.... and a good
idea for security. #1 will be more specific but might
not be easy. And it requires finding a somewhat unique
ID or class that you can hide.
   It's a sticky problem because there's a dual issue
1) Incompetence: Most webmasters are somewhat
incompetent and want lots of pizzazz on their page.
It's a case of follow-the-leader. Most don't actually
know much about coding a page. They just pass
around snippets to keep up with the pizzazz on other
pages. Add to that the fact that coding a webpage
is more art than science. What works in one browser
may not work in another. As pages get more complex,
more are broken. I increasingly find I need to use
View -> Style -> No Style just to read a page.
Often it's because things are sitting on top. Often
it's because the font is so gigantic, with triple line
spacing intended for mobile devices, that it's hard to
read.
   Recently I was pleasantly surprised to find that
Wired.com works again. :) They seem to be a restless
bunch who remake their site periodically. The latest
version happens to be readable. The last one had several
columns of text showing on top of each other.
2) Arms race: Ads and spyware are how most commercial
sites are making money. They want to know who you are
and they want points from advertisers. As fast as people
figure out ways to block intrusive things, the coders will
come up with ways to get around it.
Thanks for help and suggestions.
Before I launch into them, though, I'd appreciate you telling me if you
get anything similar with the webpage of which I sent the screenshot;
http://troubleshooter.xyz/wiki/fix-mmc-could-not-create-the-snap-in/
I've tried it on Opera and Safari, and the tabs appear on both. They
appear about a second after all the rest of the page has loaded.
I've also opened ten of my usual sites, and no sign of the tabs in any
of them
The webpage doesn't contain your "fixed-widget-container" nor just
".q2". But there are some scripts on it that look a bit guilty.
Ed
I disabled script and it doesn't appear, so it is definitely a script in
the webpage itself.
I like to have script enabled, however.

Ed
Ed Cryer
2018-03-04 18:12:58 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Mayayana
| How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
|
1)  If you have the DOM Inspector/Element Inspector
add-ons (I'm not sure how these get installed. They're
under Tools -> Web Developer) then you can right-click
the bar, click Inspect Element, then look for a class
or ID. Then, in your profile folder, find the chrome
folder and find userContent.css in there. Create it if it
doesn't exist. You can add your own CSS there.
   If you know nothing about CSS you might need to
look it up. Basically, it specifies how things should
be displayed. If you know the class or ID of an element
you can remove it with your own CSS.
.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}
   But I'm not sure. It seems to be dynamically created
with script. It's easier if you have the Element Inspector
to figure out the class or ID of the element, but I can't
see that bar in either Firefox or Pale Moon, so I can't
check it. (And I'm certainly not going to enable script
for a site called troubleshooter.xyz. :)
-----------------------------------------------------
2) Have you considered disabling script when possible?
I disable script in Pale Moon and use NoScript in FF. In
neither browser do I see that bar. My guess is that the
bar is drawn with script, as SVG images. Since I can't
see the bar I'm not sure.
-----------------------------------------------------
3) Sometimes a HOSTS file update will help. If you
see junk coming from advertisers, Facebook, etc you
can block those in HOSTS.
----------------------------------------------------
   Probably #2 is your easiest option.... and a good
idea for security. #1 will be more specific but might
not be easy. And it requires finding a somewhat unique
ID or class that you can hide.
   It's a sticky problem because there's a dual issue
1) Incompetence: Most webmasters are somewhat
incompetent and want lots of pizzazz on their page.
It's a case of follow-the-leader. Most don't actually
know much about coding a page. They just pass
around snippets to keep up with the pizzazz on other
pages. Add to that the fact that coding a webpage
is more art than science. What works in one browser
may not work in another. As pages get more complex,
more are broken. I increasingly find I need to use
View -> Style -> No Style just to read a page.
Often it's because things are sitting on top. Often
it's because the font is so gigantic, with triple line
spacing intended for mobile devices, that it's hard to
read.
   Recently I was pleasantly surprised to find that
Wired.com works again. :) They seem to be a restless
bunch who remake their site periodically. The latest
version happens to be readable. The last one had several
columns of text showing on top of each other.
2) Arms race: Ads and spyware are how most commercial
sites are making money. They want to know who you are
and they want points from advertisers. As fast as people
figure out ways to block intrusive things, the coders will
come up with ways to get around it.
Thanks for help and suggestions.
Before I launch into them, though, I'd appreciate you telling me if
you get anything similar with the webpage of which I sent the screenshot;
http://troubleshooter.xyz/wiki/fix-mmc-could-not-create-the-snap-in/
I've tried it on Opera and Safari, and the tabs appear on both. They
appear about a second after all the rest of the page has loaded.
I've also opened ten of my usual sites, and no sign of the tabs in any
of them
The webpage doesn't contain your "fixed-widget-container" nor just
".q2". But there are some scripts on it that look a bit guilty.
Ed
I disabled script and it doesn't appear, so it is definitely a script in
the webpage itself.
I like to have script enabled, however.
Ed
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Mayayana
2018-03-04 18:38:20 UTC
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"Ed Cryer" <***@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote

| > I disabled script and it doesn't appear, so it is definitely a script in
| > the webpage itself.
| > I like to have script enabled, however.

Have you ever tried NoScript? It's a little more trouble,
but the best you can do as a compromise between
functionality and security. You can whitelist domains
if necessary. I generally don't enable any script. when
I have to, I can usually enable acme.com without enabling
the half dozen spyware/adware domains that are called
in.


| The DOM properties are these;
|
| path
| animatedPathSegList: [.]
| 0: SVGPathSegMovetoAbs { x: 22, y: 5.159999847412109, pathSegType: 2, . }
.....

I don't know how you got those, but it doesn't really
mean anything useful. The point is to find the class
or ID of the bar by right-click -> Inspect Element, if
you want to use CSS to remove the bar.

I use CSS to do a number of things like that. I
hide SVG and CANVAS altogether, as they're
usually just used for things like "social" logos.
And I hide various specific things, such as all
Twitter posts in Washington Post articles. (It
drives me crazy that journalists think it's news
to include any old related Twitter prattle in their
articles.)
But the thing with using CSS is that it's only
worthwhile if 1) it removes an annoyance from
a lot of sites or 2) it removes an annoyance
from one site that you use a lot.
Mayayana
2018-03-04 18:26:50 UTC
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"Ed Cryer" <***@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote

| Before I launch into them, though, I'd appreciate you telling me if you
| get anything similar with the webpage of which I sent the screenshot;
| http://troubleshooter.xyz/wiki/fix-mmc-could-not-create-the-snap-in/
|

No. I said that above. I don't see it in either Pale Moon
or Firefox. I don't have Opera and do not allow IE online.
It looks to me like it's generated by script, which would
explain why I don't see it, as I have script blocked.

I don't see HTML code for it in the webpage and it
does not appear if I select View -> Style -> No Style.
So that seems to rule out pretty much anything but
script.

| I've tried it on Opera and Safari, and the tabs appear on both. They
| appear about a second after all the rest of the page has loaded.
| I've also opened ten of my usual sites, and no sign of the tabs in any
| of them
|
| The webpage doesn't contain your "fixed-widget-container" nor just
| ".q2". But there are some scripts on it that look a bit guilty.
|
No. As I said, it seems to be script-generated.
I got that class name from here:

http://addy.ldbv981.maxcdn-edge.com/wp-content/plugins/q2w3-fixed-widget/js/q2w3-fixed-widget.min.js

You can try that line in userContent.css and see if
it works:

.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}

It might not work. I'm not certain that's the culprit.
But it's no harm done if it doesn't work.

Did you try right-click -> Inspect Element? That
should show you the code, with ID and/or class,
but if it's script-generated that won't be in the page
until after page load. As I said before, I'm not willing
to enable script for such research, especially at a site
with such a hokey URL. (I didn't know "xyz" was even
possible.) But it's easy enough for you to check yourself.

The script infestation on that page is vast. Lots of it
inline.... What seems to be a library from cloudflare.com...
Spyware/adware script from ezoic.net.... Spyware from
Google.... Dynamic ad auctions of the kind exploited
by malware injectors.... About a dozen scripts from
maxcdn content delivery network, including wordpress
crap.... (Crap because Wordpress has frequent vulnerabilities
in the various widgets and the people using them, almost
be definition, don't know what they're doing.) Spyware
from criteo.net.... Spyware from quantserve/quantcast and
scorecardresearch....

And that's just a quick look, with no idea what other
scripts might be pulled in from that first wave.
That's what I mean about incompetent copy/paste.
Little if any of what's on that page was likely written
by the webmaster. It's mostly widgets and spyware/adware
functionality provided by 3rd parties.
And all that for just about 3 paragraphs of actual
page content.
Ed Cryer
2018-03-04 19:52:26 UTC
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| Before I launch into them, though, I'd appreciate you telling me if you
| get anything similar with the webpage of which I sent the screenshot;
| http://troubleshooter.xyz/wiki/fix-mmc-could-not-create-the-snap-in/
|
No. I said that above. I don't see it in either Pale Moon
or Firefox. I don't have Opera and do not allow IE online.
It looks to me like it's generated by script, which would
explain why I don't see it, as I have script blocked.
I don't see HTML code for it in the webpage and it
does not appear if I select View -> Style -> No Style.
So that seems to rule out pretty much anything but
script.
| I've tried it on Opera and Safari, and the tabs appear on both. They
| appear about a second after all the rest of the page has loaded.
| I've also opened ten of my usual sites, and no sign of the tabs in any
| of them
|
| The webpage doesn't contain your "fixed-widget-container" nor just
| ".q2". But there are some scripts on it that look a bit guilty.
|
No. As I said, it seems to be script-generated.
http://addy.ldbv981.maxcdn-edge.com/wp-content/plugins/q2w3-fixed-widget/js/q2w3-fixed-widget.min.js
You can try that line in userContent.css and see if
.q2w3-fixed-widget-container {display: none !important;}
It might not work. I'm not certain that's the culprit.
But it's no harm done if it doesn't work.
Did you try right-click -> Inspect Element? That
should show you the code, with ID and/or class,
but if it's script-generated that won't be in the page
until after page load. As I said before, I'm not willing
to enable script for such research, especially at a site
with such a hokey URL. (I didn't know "xyz" was even
possible.) But it's easy enough for you to check yourself.
The script infestation on that page is vast. Lots of it
inline.... What seems to be a library from cloudflare.com...
Spyware/adware script from ezoic.net.... Spyware from
Google.... Dynamic ad auctions of the kind exploited
by malware injectors.... About a dozen scripts from
maxcdn content delivery network, including wordpress
crap.... (Crap because Wordpress has frequent vulnerabilities
in the various widgets and the people using them, almost
be definition, don't know what they're doing.) Spyware
from criteo.net.... Spyware from quantserve/quantcast and
scorecardresearch....
And that's just a quick look, with no idea what other
scripts might be pulled in from that first wave.
That's what I mean about incompetent copy/paste.
Little if any of what's on that page was likely written
by the webmaster. It's mostly widgets and spyware/adware
functionality provided by 3rd parties.
And all that for just about 3 paragraphs of actual
page content.
If you can live with FF "no style" then you are really seeing something
less than preferable.
Not me, brother.

I was hoping you might just enable script for the few seconds it would
take you to go to the page. I get the tabs covering stuff on all
browsers, so it's not a local problem of FF.

As regards turning off script permanently, I already get webpages
refusing me because of Adblock; "we depend on ads to keep going; don't
block them" they say as they refuse to display.

Ed
Mayayana
2018-03-04 21:58:53 UTC
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"Ed Cryer" <***@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote
|
| I was hoping you might just enable script for the few seconds it would
| take you to go to the page. I get the tabs covering stuff on all
| browsers, so it's not a local problem of FF.
|

I told you how to research this for yourself.
If you don't want to even try dealing with the
CSS and you don't want to limit script then I
don't know what other solution you imagine
might be possible.

| As regards turning off script permanently, I already get webpages
| refusing me because of Adblock; "we depend on ads to keep going; don't
| block them" they say as they refuse to display.
|

You're not reading what I'm writing. I talked
about NoScript as the best possible compromise,
not turning off script. And blocking script is not
the same as using an ad blocker.

Ironically, despite using a HOSTS file that blocks
virtually all ads and disabling script, I never get
a message about ad blockers. They apparently use
script to sniff for that. :)

For the most part ad blockers are inferior to
just having a simple HOSTS file. Since most ads/tracking
come from a few big operators, it's not hard to
block them. Most ad blockers, by contrast, make
money by taking kickbacks to allow "non-intrusive"
ads and thus "non-intrusive" spyware.

I don't actually block ads per se. I just block domains
that source adware/spyware that's not at the domain
I chose to visit. If they put an ad on their site I'll
see it. If they want to make money by letting
a dozen ad/spyware companies track my movements
then they don't deserve to make money.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-04 22:48:46 UTC
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I've recently started getting webpages with Firefox which have a strip
of tabs down the left hand side; and they overlap the page itself. When
I mouse over them they move in further rightwards.
Only on some pages.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3knie5nb341jrr/FF-Tabs-Capture.JPG?dl=0
Same with IE on one I tried.
How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
Ed
With the ancient version of Firefox I use, I get lots of things that
obscure part of the page (and don't scroll when the page does) - at top,
bottom, or either side. A bunch of buttons that link to social media is
indeed often the culprit, but by no means always - sometimes the top
menu of the page itself is guilty.

The version of AdBlockPlus I use (which probably is also far from the
latest version) has a little triangle next to its red octagon, which
when clicked brings up a menu, one of the options of which is Select
element to hide (apparently also reachable by Ctrl+Shift+F3). If I
invoke this, then as I move the mouse around the page, it outlines
various parts of the page with a red rectangle; if I click one of those,
it adds a filter (which is site-specific, and is remembered [and you can
delete/deactivate the filters too if you find you've blocked the wrong
thing]), and the offending popover magically disappears (sometimes after
a second or two's delay). I use this a lot - certainly for social media
bars, as I don't use social media much (certainly not from other
webpages) so am happy to never see those button bars again.

I know a lot of people these days are deprecating ABP in favour of the
other one (u something?); I don't know if that has this selective
element blocker though - it may have, I haven't investigated.
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Mayayana
2018-03-04 23:44:34 UTC
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-***@255soft.uk> wrote

| I know a lot of people these days are deprecating ABP in favour of the
| other one (u something?)

uBlock Origin. I'm not certain, but I don't think UO
is taking kickbacks to show "acceptable advertising"
the way that ABP is. (An ad blocker that accepts
payments to show some ads is a bit much.)

I've only tried UO briefly but it seemed to work pretty
well. I had taken my very elderly father to check his
email at the local senior center. They only had
Chrome on the computers. So I downloaded Firefox.
Windows popped up an "Admin password required"
box as I tried to install FF. I dismissed the window.
Firefox then apparently ran the install at user level.
Nice! Then I installed uBlock Origin. In just a couple of
minutes I was getting civilized webpages on Firefox,
despite running as a restricted user.
But I didn't explore the options UO provided.
Ed Cryer
2018-03-05 12:41:23 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
I've recently started getting webpages with Firefox which have a strip
of tabs down the left hand side; and they overlap the page itself.
When I mouse over them they move in further rightwards.
Only on some pages.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3knie5nb341jrr/FF-Tabs-Capture.JPG?dl=0
Same with IE on one I tried.
How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
Ed
With the ancient version of Firefox I use, I get lots of things that
obscure part of the page (and don't scroll when the page does) - at top,
bottom, or either side. A bunch of buttons that link to social media is
indeed often the culprit, but by no means always - sometimes the top
menu of the page itself is guilty.
The version of AdBlockPlus I use (which probably is also far from the
latest version) has a little triangle next to its red octagon, which
when clicked brings up a menu, one of the options of which is Select
element to hide (apparently also reachable by Ctrl+Shift+F3). If I
invoke this, then as I move the mouse around the page, it outlines
various parts of the page with a red rectangle; if I click one of those,
it adds a filter (which is site-specific, and is remembered [and you can
delete/deactivate the filters too if you find you've blocked the wrong
thing]), and the offending popover magically disappears (sometimes after
a second or two's delay). I use this a lot - certainly for social media
bars, as I don't use social media much (certainly not from other
webpages) so am happy to never see those button bars again.
I know a lot of people these days are deprecating ABP in favour of the
other one (u something?); I don't know if that has this selective
element blocker though - it may have, I haven't investigated.
Thanks a lot for your contribution. You've fixed it for me quite
straightforwardly, without having to configure my system to something I
wouldn't recognize.

I'm on FF58.02, 64Bit, AdblockPlus 3.01.
I started looking into ABP, but that led me to FF itself by saying
"Note: You have Do Not Track (DNT) disabled in your browser settings.
For this feature to work properly, please enable DNT in your browser
preferences". The latest version of FF has two security choices; Block
additional tracking, and Block social media icons tracking; both now ticked.

And that's it. The messy things have gone, and the rest of the page
looks untouched.

BTW, it was interesting watching ABP do its job on that page. Its count
went quickly to 30, and then slowed down to one every few seconds,
taking longer all the while. It finally reached 51 before I lost
interest and moved on.

Ed
Stan Brown
2018-03-07 00:14:19 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
With the ancient version of Firefox I use, I get lots of things that
obscure part of the page (and don't scroll when the page does) - at top,
bottom, or either side. A bunch of buttons that link to social media is
indeed often the culprit, but by no means always - sometimes the top
menu of the page itself is guilty.
The version of AdBlockPlus I use (which probably is also far from the
latest version) has a little triangle next to its red octagon, which
when clicked brings up a menu,
I resisted upgrading to Firefox 57, because the Prefbar add-on, which
I used a lot, was not planning to be compatible with the new version.
But from my reading, it seems that updating browsers us essential to
protection against Meltdown and Spectre. So I did it, and found I
could live without Prefbar after all.

Adblock Plus has been updated for the newer Firefox, and I remember
liking the new ABP a bit better than the old version, though I can't
remember why.

YMMV, but to me this seemed like an important but easy security move.
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Ant
2018-03-06 00:18:20 UTC
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Use an ad blocker like uBlock Origin.
Post by Ed Cryer
I've recently started getting webpages with Firefox which have a strip
of tabs down the left hand side; and they overlap the page itself. When
I mouse over them they move in further rightwards.
Only on some pages.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3knie5nb341jrr/FF-Tabs-Capture.JPG?dl=0
Same with IE on one I tried.
How do I get rid of them? I haven't installed any add-on recently.
Ed
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