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Cartoon -- evolution of Windows versions through the years
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Stan Brown
2019-07-12 19:47:49 UTC
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T
2019-07-12 20:13:39 UTC
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I would comment on that, but I am too busy excess grinnin'

:-)
Apd
2019-07-12 21:23:52 UTC
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Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
T
2019-07-12 22:38:23 UTC
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Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
I adored 2000
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-07-12 23:02:25 UTC
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Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
I adored 2000
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95); but, time moves
on in unpredictable ways. For me what killed '98 (lite or otherwise) was
mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of '98 generic drivers
(almost every new device, even pen drive, needed a manufacturer's
driver). [Actually, the situation is almost identical with 7 and USB3 -
but, USB3 doesn't seem to be being taken up nearly as universally as USB
was.]

XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner. Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer - which is sad, because there is little that _needs_ the
latest everything, just people aren't willing to fund web development
that is backwards-compatible.
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T
2019-07-12 23:13:18 UTC
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 Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
I adored 2000
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95); but, time moves
on in unpredictable ways. For me what killed '98 (lite or otherwise) was
mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of '98 generic drivers
(almost every new device, even pen drive, needed a manufacturer's
driver). [Actually, the situation is almost identical with 7 and USB3 -
but, USB3 doesn't seem to be being taken up nearly as universally as USB
was.]
XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner. Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer - which is sad, because there is little that _needs_ the
latest everything, just people aren't willing to fund web development
that is backwards-compatible.
Ya, websites got one of my small business customers.
Apd
2019-07-13 00:29:40 UTC
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Post by T
I adored 2000
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95); but, time moves
on in unpredictable ways.
Never bothered with 9x. I went straight from DOS (with a little bit of
Win3) to Win2k which is still useful to me, although not for so many
websites now.

The main problem with 9x is that there's no separation of user and
kernel space/routines like there is in NT. Thus any rogue program
could easily crash or corrupt the OS. Otherwise, because of its close
binding with MS-DOS it still could use drivers built for that.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
For me what killed '98 (lite or otherwise) was
mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of '98 generic drivers
(almost every new device, even pen drive, needed a manufacturer's
driver).
They probably stopped making DOS drivers by then.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner.
For me, XP has only just gone out of support since I was still getting
updates for it as a Point Of Sale (POS) system.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer - which is sad, because there is little that _needs_ the
latest everything, just people aren't willing to fund web development
that is backwards-compatible.
Yeah, I agree. Elsewhere I was wishing someone would build a modern
browser for Win2k but it ain't gonna happen.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-07-13 02:01:44 UTC
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Post by Apd
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by T
I adored 2000
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95); but, time moves
on in unpredictable ways.
Never bothered with 9x. I went straight from DOS (with a little bit of
Win3) to Win2k which is still useful to me, although not for so many
websites now.
I had DOS/W3.1, but that machine (4M RAM!) was so slow in W that I used
it mostly in DOS - IIRR, Windows only for (some) websites.
Post by Apd
The main problem with 9x is that there's no separation of user and
kernel space/routines like there is in NT. Thus any rogue program
could easily crash or corrupt the OS. Otherwise, because of its close
binding with MS-DOS it still could use drivers built for that.
Conversely, it was easy to back up and restore if it _did_ get
corrupted.
Post by Apd
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
For me what killed '98 (lite or otherwise) was
mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of '98 generic drivers
(almost every new device, even pen drive, needed a manufacturer's
driver).
They probably stopped making DOS drivers by then.
I think the drivers for memory sticks were '9x rather than DOS drivers.
Post by Apd
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner.
For me, XP has only just gone out of support since I was still getting
updates for it as a Point Of Sale (POS) system.
I only moved to 7 because the XP system died, and the backup I had been
keeping in reserve was a 7 system; I was using POS too. Has that now
stopped as well? (Though I don't think I'd go back now.)
Post by Apd
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer - which is sad, because there is little that _needs_ the
latest everything, just people aren't willing to fund web development
that is backwards-compatible.
Yeah, I agree. Elsewhere I was wishing someone would build a modern
browser for Win2k but it ain't gonna happen.
My '98 system's Firefox 2 (.0.0.20, IIRR) still works on some sites, or
did last time I turned it on.
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Mark Lloyd
2019-07-13 17:20:37 UTC
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On 7/12/19 9:01 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I had DOS/W3.1, but that machine (4M RAM!) was so slow in W that I used
it mostly in DOS - IIRR, Windows only for (some) websites.
I had that on a 486sx-25 system (4MB, 25MHz, no math co-processor).

I remember getting a Win 95 upgrade for that (on floppies) that would
not with with so little RAM. RAM was upgradable, but proprietary and too
expensive.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I only moved to 7 because the XP system died, and the backup I had been
keeping in reserve was a 7 system; I was using POS too. Has that now
stopped as well? (Though I don't think I'd go back now.)
I was using XP for a couple of years after their "EOL", until the system
died.

[snip]
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
My '98 system's Firefox 2 (.0.0.20, IIRR) still works on some sites, or
did last time I turned it on.
There's a program at https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/files
that will allow you to use Firefox 9 (although with some problems).
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Apd
2019-07-13 18:13:07 UTC
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Post by Apd
They probably stopped making DOS drivers by then.
I think the drivers for memory sticks were '9x rather than DOS drivers.
Yes. What I meant was that DOS drivers were probably never made for 98
or the DOS it ran on because most manufacturers had stopped writing
new drivers for DOS by then.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Apd
For me, XP has only just gone out of support since I was still getting
updates for it as a Point Of Sale (POS) system.
I only moved to 7 because the XP system died, and the backup I had been
keeping in reserve was a 7 system; I was using POS too. Has that now
stopped as well? (Though I don't think I'd go back now.)
Updates stopped in April or May this year.
Mark Lloyd
2019-07-13 17:12:36 UTC
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On 7/12/19 7:29 PM, Apd wrote:

[snip]
Post by Apd
Never bothered with 9x. I went straight from DOS (with a little bit of
Win3) to Win2k which is still useful to me, although not for so many
websites now.
What browser do you use? I was almost always using Firefox.
Post by Apd
The main problem with 9x is that there's no separation of user and
kernel space/routines like there is in NT. Thus any rogue program
could easily crash or corrupt the OS. Otherwise, because of its close
binding with MS-DOS it still could use drivers built for that.
9x really did crash a lot. That was one of the benefits of Windows 2000.

BTW, Windows ME is the last DOS-based version.

[snip]
Post by Apd
Yeah, I agree. Elsewhere I was wishing someone would build a modern
browser for Win2k but it ain't gonna happen.
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Apd
2019-07-13 18:18:43 UTC
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Post by Apd
Never bothered with 9x. I went straight from DOS (with a little bit of
Win3) to Win2k which is still useful to me, although not for so many
websites now.
What browser do you use? I was almost always using Firefox.
Firefox 12.0 on W2k, as I mentioned somewhere else.
Post by Mark Lloyd
BTW, Windows ME is the last DOS-based version.
I have it on CD but never used it. However I do have a boot floppy
containing its version of DOS which I have used for something I can't
remember.
Stan Brown
2019-07-13 02:36:44 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner. Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer
I can't imagine why you say that. I've got the latest Firefox on my
Windows 7 system, and as far as I can tell it works fine. There have
been one or two glitchy websites, but the same ones were glitchy on
Chrome with Windows 8.1 at work.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-07-13 05:40:57 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
XP/2000, Vista, and - soon - 7, were/will die a gradual death, as things
that don't work with them become commoner. Of late, it's probably
websites, and the browsers needed to process them, that will most likely
be the killer
I can't imagine why you say that. I've got the latest Firefox on my
Windows 7 system, and as far as I can tell it works fine. There have
been one or two glitchy websites, but the same ones were glitchy on
Chrome with Windows 8.1 at work.
Chrome and Firefox versions that will run on XP are already some way
behind the latest. (Vista I _think_ the same; I don't follow it.)
Presumably the same will happen to 7, though hopefully some years after
the end of Microsoft support, as happened with XP. And developments we
cannot currently imagine (though I suspect spying will be a major part)
in websites will always make some of them only work with the latest
versions of browsers )-:.
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Mark Lloyd
2019-07-13 17:08:38 UTC
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On 7/12/19 6:02 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95);
What version of IE?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
but, time moves
on in unpredictable ways. For me what killed '98 (lite or otherwise) was
mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of '98 generic drivers
(almost every new device, even pen drive, needed a manufacturer's
driver).
ME came with a storage driver, so you didn't need to add one. I recently
wanted to install 98 or ME on an old machine, and chose ME for that reason.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Actually, the situation is almost identical with 7 and USB3 -
but, USB3 doesn't seem to be being taken up nearly as universally as USB
was.]
[snip]
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-07-13 18:03:31 UTC
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[snip]
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
For me, 98lite (roughly, '98 with the shell from '95);
What version of IE?
98lite came from the same people (I _think_ they still exist, under a
different name; they did an XP tweaker. Australian, IIRR) who produced
IEradicator, for those of us who resented the fact that IE was "built
in" to '9x); 98lite also had that function. (Including notes on how to
keep/reinstall the necessary bits - a couple of DLLs, I think - needed
to still be able to e. g. read HTML-style help files.)
Post by Mark Lloyd
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
but, time moves on in unpredictable ways. For me what killed '98
(lite or otherwise) was mostly the wide takeup of USB and the lack of
'98 generic drivers (almost every new device, even pen drive, needed
a manufacturer's driver).
ME came with a storage driver, so you didn't need to add one. I
recently wanted to install 98 or ME on an old machine, and chose ME for
that reason.
The last time (must be about a decade ago) I created a '9x system, I
used the "Windows 98 tenth anniversary edition", by someone calling
himself "soporific"; he'd added lots of drivers for hardware that had
come out since '98, as well as lots of utilities: he packed a CD .iso to
within an inch of its capacity. (Including the "universal" USB driver
that someone had developed, which worked well, provided it was the
_first_ [and perhaps only] USB memory driver loaded.) That "edition" of
'98 was, for its time, a very well-thought-out system, and worked well;
unfortunately, some of the things he'd included were cracked versions of
some commercial softwares (such as the full version of 98lite - I'd only
ever used the trial version). I don't know if that was the reason, but
that edition disappeared more or less without trace: seems a pity, given
the work that went into it.
[] (my "[]" is short for "[snip]")
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Stan Brown
2019-07-13 19:46:44 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[] (my "[]" is short for "[snip]")
If only there were some sort of standard abbreviation for that. Maybe
we could create one, like three dots "..."!
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Java Jive
2019-07-13 20:02:38 UTC
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Post by Stan Brown
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[] (my "[]" is short for "[snip]")
If only there were some sort of standard abbreviation for that. Maybe
we could create one, like three dots "..."!
That's what I tend to use, either ... or [...] depending on the severity
of the snip - I tend to discard the brackets if the bit that I've cut
is a piece from the middle of a sentence of which I want to improve the
comprehensibility. So, given a single sentence like ...

Important part1 - irrelevant part - important part2

... I would usually quote that as ...

Important part1 ... important part2

However when it's entire sentences or paragraphs, I tend to use the
brackets, so ...

Important para1
Irrelevant para
Important para2

... becomes ...

Important para1
[...]
Important para2
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-07-14 00:54:30 UTC
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Post by Stan Brown
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[] (my "[]" is short for "[snip]")
If only there were some sort of standard abbreviation for that. Maybe
we could create one, like three dots "..."!
That's what I tend to use, either ... or [...] depending on the
severity of the snip - I tend to discard the brackets if the bit that
I've cut is a piece from the middle of a sentence of which I want to
improve the comprehensibility. So, given a single sentence like ...
Important part1 - irrelevant part - important part2
... I would usually quote that as ...
Important part1 ... important part2
However when it's entire sentences or paragraphs, I tend to use the
brackets, so ...
Important para1
Irrelevant para
Important para2
... becomes ...
Important para1
[...]
Important para2
I tend not to just remove parts of sentences, only whole lines: partly,
because it is a bit harder to remove parts of lines in my newsreader,
but mainly because I like to make clear that I have removed whole lines,
so it is clear(er) that I'm not trying to change what someone said, only
remove parts for clarity.

I think "[]" has become accepted for this purpose, even if not as old as
"..." - and with the above slightly different interpretation (viz.
"[several complete lines snipped here]".
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Frank Slootweg
2019-07-14 11:38:58 UTC
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Post by Stan Brown
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[] (my "[]" is short for "[snip]")
If only there were some sort of standard abbreviation for that. Maybe
we could create one, like three dots "..."!
I set the standard - '[...]' - decades ago! Weren't you paying
attention!? :-)
Mark Lloyd
2019-07-13 17:05:06 UTC
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Post by Apd
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Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
A lot of people ignore 2000, probably the best version of Windows ever.
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Ant
2019-07-17 10:04:03 UTC
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Post by Apd
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Excellent but they missed out Win 2000. That would be a hammer with
go-faster stripes.
A lot of people ignore 2000, probably the best version of Windows ever.
Ditto.
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2019-07-12 22:22:37 UTC
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Paul in Houston TX
2019-07-12 22:45:52 UTC
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Copy & paste the string into your browser.
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2019-07-13 00:30:51 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:45:52 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
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Copy & paste the string into your browser.
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T
2019-07-13 00:34:06 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:45:52 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
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Copy & paste the string into your browser.
If people remember to put < > around your links they won't break in
most readers.
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great tip!
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2019-07-13 00:58:17 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:22:37 -0700, "David E. Ross"
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Try this TinyURL - https://tinyurl.com/hf2vtdo
Ant
2019-07-13 03:58:09 UTC
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What about earlier and other Windows versions like 1.x, 2.x, 3.0, 95,
and ME? :P
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2019-07-13 17:28:27 UTC
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What about earlier and other Windows versions like 1.x, 2.x, 3.0, 95,
and ME? :P
also 3.11 and 2000.
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