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WannaCrypt makes an easy case for Linux
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Shadow
2017-05-19 12:01:14 UTC
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 01:00:39 +0200 (CEST), "Anonymous Remailer
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Microsoft was alerted in AUGUST about the shadow dump by
Obama's administration, because it thought the vulnerability was too
"unsafe" to be out in the wild. (as if ANY backdoor can be called
"safe")
M$ sat on it for almost 5 months,, even cancelled a scheduled
patch, (Win 7 and 10 computers were being exploited in the meantime)
and then when it brought down XP computers used that as a PR reason to
upgrade to the "secure Win 10"

https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/fearing-shadow-brokers-leak-nsa-reported-critical-flaw-to-microsoft/

I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers. And that includes (or
will soon) Ubuntu.
Devuan, anyone ? 800 dollars per machine per year is more than
enough to teach the average user how to use basic Linux programs.
(that is how much M$ charges to keep Win XP "secure".
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Silver Slimer
2017-05-19 12:27:32 UTC
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 01:00:39 +0200 (CEST), "Anonymous Remailer
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/wannacrypt-makes-an-easy-case-for-linux/
Microsoft was alerted in AUGUST about the shadow dump by
Obama's administration, because it thought the vulnerability was too
"unsafe" to be out in the wild. (as if ANY backdoor can be called
"safe")
M$ sat on it for almost 5 months,, even cancelled a scheduled
patch, (Win 7 and 10 computers were being exploited in the meantime)
and then when it brought down XP computers used that as a PR reason to
upgrade to the "secure Win 10"
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/fearing-shadow-brokers-leak-nsa-reported-critical-flaw-to-microsoft/
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers. And that includes (or
will soon) Ubuntu.
Devuan, anyone ? 800 dollars per machine per year is more than
enough to teach the average user how to use basic Linux programs.
(that is how much M$ charges to keep Win XP "secure".
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
Funny enough, as I was responding to this post the first time, my
computer blue-screened as a result of some driver conflict with my
Touchpad. I think that even the least reasonable Windows advocate is
forced to admit that when it comes to security, Microsoft is lacking in
general. They provide excellent features for their users, but they
always seem to open something, somewhere in the process to make sure
that their systems are compromised. It's no longer funny as much as it
is sad.
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Wolf K
2017-05-19 13:03:40 UTC
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I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]

Can't be done.

Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.

And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
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Shadow
2017-05-19 14:17:46 UTC
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Post by Shadow
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]
Can't be done.
Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.
And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
Where can I buy Devuan shares then ?
PS you deleted the entire article. Makes it hard for people to
realize that Wannacrypt was a deliberate "crisis" created by M$. They
knew about the leak, and the exploit in August 2016.
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Wolf K
2017-05-19 20:08:36 UTC
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Post by Shadow
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]
Can't be done.
Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.
And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
Where can I buy Devuan shares then ?
PS you deleted the entire article. Makes it hard for people to
realize that Wannacrypt was a deliberate "crisis" created by M$. They
knew about the leak, and the exploit in August 2016.
[]'s
I agree, it was deliberate, in the sense that they were deliberately stupid.
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pyotr filipivich
2017-05-20 01:10:05 UTC
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Post by Shadow
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]
Can't be done.
Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.
And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
You make it from scratch?
Yep.
Do you make your own scratch?
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Wolf K
2017-05-20 13:13:36 UTC
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Post by Shadow
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]
Can't be done.
Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.
And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
You make it from scratch?
Yep.
Do you make your own scratch?
Good line for model airplane/boat/train/etc builders... :-)
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2017-05-20 16:05:35 UTC
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Post by Shadow
I agree, we have to move away from ANYTHING that considers
it's shareholders more important than customers.
[...]
Can't be done.
Unless you have some way of producing everything you need and want all
by yourself.
And I mean _all_. Such as mining and smelting the metals you need.
You make it from scratch?
Yep.
Do you make your own scratch?
Good line for model airplane/boat/train/etc builders... :-)
Cooks, too.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-05-19 21:10:23 UTC
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
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2017-05-20 01:25:17 UTC
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
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2017-05-20 13:11:42 UTC
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of
learning) Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost
6 months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the
wild.
That's overstating things a little. In-support versions of Windows
were already patched against this vulnerability, MSFT then released
a patch for out-of-support versions when the extent of the problem
became clear. The culprits seem to be (1) criminals intent on
extracting ransom, and (2) the NSA for warehousing all these
vulnerabilities they find and not telling MSFT.
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2017-05-21 18:30:50 UTC
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating
systems long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and
bitch about it.

This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
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2017-05-21 18:47:54 UTC
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http://www.techrepublic.com/article/wannacrypt-makes-an-easy-case-for-linux/
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating
systems long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and
bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people congratulating and
even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6 months after they knew
the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating systems
long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed
before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
seems like how things are going for Trump...
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people congratulating and
even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6 months after they knew
the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating systems
long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed
before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
seems like how things are going for Trump...
Comments about Trump in an XP, Windows 7 and an anonymity group?

Really???
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people congratulating and
even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6 months after they knew
the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating systems
long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed
before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
seems like how things are going for Trump...
You Obama faggots wish things were going bad for Trump. All you
got is made up fake stories with absolutely no supporting
evidence.
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people congratulating and
even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6 months after they knew
the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating systems
long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed
before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
seems like how things are going for Trump...
You Obama faggots wish things were going bad for Trump. All you got is
made up fake stories with absolutely no supporting evidence.
and hilary clinton runs a pedo rung out of the basement of a pizza place with no basement, right?

go find a safe space, snowflake!

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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating
systems long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and
bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
Hard to flame when someone is right.
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Post by Shadow
PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating
systems long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and
bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
Try harder; the xpost is to Windows and Linux newsgroups, so even a
base-level troll should be able to get a flamewar going. V. Poor.
Hard to flame when someone is right.
Boy, ain't that the truth.
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people
congratulating and even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6
months after they knew the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating
systems long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and
bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
Of course. I use both. I was referring to the people congratulating and
even praising M$ for releasing a patch almost 6 months after they knew
the vulnerability was being used in the wild.
Typical lefty response. They released a patch for operating systems
long EOL and you cunts STILL find reason to whine and bitch about it.
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed
before they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
neo-nazi snowflakes need to create their "safe space" by slaughtering people.
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This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and
killed before they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
Only logical. Kill bacteria and prevent infections.
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This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed before
they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
Only logical. Kill bacteria and prevent infections.
I guess that's why white males are now a minority in the USA.
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This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed before
they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
Only logical. Kill bacteria and prevent infections.
I guess that's why white males are now a minority in the USA.
Another left wing lie.

You're a liar and your mother was a whore who fucked shiploads
of sailors.

You're the product of 5,000 fathers.

Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
Non-Hispanic White 196,817,552 63.7 %
Non-Hispanic Black 37,685,848 12.2 %
Non-Hispanic Asian 14,465,124 4.7 %
Non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native 2,247,098 0.7 %
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or other Pacific
Islander 481,576 0.2 %
Non-Hispanic some other race 604,265 0.2 %
Non-Hispanic two or more races 5,966,481 1.9 %
Hispanic or Latino 50,477,594 16.3 %

Oh, and you're illiterate, ignorant, and you take it up the ass
bareback.
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Post by Anonymous
This is exactly why all leftwingers should be identified and killed before
they reproduce.
How humanitarian of you.
Only logical. Kill bacteria and prevent infections.
I guess that's why white males are now a minority in the USA.
Another left wing lie. [snip deranged rant]
In 2014, whites made up about 62% of the US population. Half of 62 is
31. So white males make up about 31% of the US population. That's not a
majority.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270272/percentage-of-us-population-by-ethnicities/

Same source projects that non-whites will make up majority of US
population by 2060.
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Post by Shadow
PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of learning)
Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
It's like pudding. The proof is in the tasting.

I recommend Linux testing, to anyone who wants
options. If you can figure it out, if it does
what you want, then that's a win for the Linux
community.

You can easily install VirtualBox from Sun/Oracle for
free, and load up a Linux setup in a VirtualBox window.
And get to test it, while you have access to Firefox
and Google, for "hints" if needed. In such a situation,
you're running Linux and Windows at the same time,
with Linux as a Guest OS.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Linux is under constant test here. Not every day, but
sampled when stuff is released. I have around 32 VMs,
stretching from perhaps Ubuntu 7.04. My stack of DVDs is
around a foot and a half thick. I get to see the successes
and the failures ("Pulseaudio" with ALSA compatibility
library removed).

I'm particularly upset, when a distro arrives on my
desk, and Ethernet networking is *not* working. Somewhere,
a QA individual is asleep at their desk... And as usual,
Network Manager says "All Is Well". That really galls me.
Not being able to "dial out" via the Ethernet port, is
a "drop dead" issue for new users as far as I'm concerned.
You won't win any pudding tasting competitions if
that happens.

The Update policy on Linux, has varied with time. At
one time, it was purely under user control. Nothing would
happen, without the user. Now, the practices have become
more varied, and more user research is required to
remain in control. It's not Windows Update, but...

*******

So by all means, give it a whirl. Taste the pudding.

If you test in VirtualBox, there will be fewer surprises
(as you will remain in control at all times).

VirtualBox does not require a lot of resources. To give
Windows room to breathe, allocate 1GB for that. And
the guest OS you're testing, can be 1GB to 1.5GB or
so (to give it some room, especially if you're running
as a LiveCD and file storage from Package Management
installs is in RAM). So a machine with 3GB of RAM
should provide sufficient room. Even my laptop
has that much (and I've run VirtualBox on it).

Paul
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PS Expect kicking and name calling from M$ stooges.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of
learning) Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
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Post by Paul
You can easily install VirtualBox from Sun/Oracle for
free, and load up a Linux setup in a VirtualBox window.
No.

*You* can easily do that. I guess I probably could, if I put my mind to
it, but not *easily*.

(-:
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Post by Paul
Linux is under constant test here. Not every day, but
sampled when stuff is released. I have around 32 VMs,
stretching from perhaps Ubuntu 7.04. My stack of DVDs is
around a foot and a half thick. I get to see the successes
and the failures ("Pulseaudio" with ALSA compatibility
library removed).
(Wow.) I used to have such enthusiasm for fiddling (though not to _that_
extent!)! My interests have changed over the last decade or decade and a
half; my main leisure activity these days, I think, is genealogy. I've
changed in other ways too - my TV watching is very different, for
example, and not just because of technology changes: I watch far less
news these days, despite it being more available.
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Post by Paul
The Update policy on Linux, has varied with time. At
one time, it was purely under user control. Nothing would
happen, without the user. Now, the practices have become
more varied, and more user research is required to
remain in control. It's not Windows Update, but...
I suspect there is some inevitability in moves in that direction as
something matures (over decades).
Post by Paul
*******
So by all means, give it a whirl. Taste the pudding.
Unlikely, I fear. (Eating - that's another thing I vary less now,
although I was never a great seeker after novelty in that area.)
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
You can be reluctant to switch to (or not want the bother of
learning) Linux, without being an "MS stooge".
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Post by Paul
You can easily install VirtualBox from Sun/Oracle for
free, and load up a Linux setup in a VirtualBox window.
No.
*You* can easily do that. I guess I probably could, if I put my mind to
it, but not *easily*.
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Post by Paul
Linux is under constant test here. Not every day, but
sampled when stuff is released. I have around 32 VMs,
stretching from perhaps Ubuntu 7.04. My stack of DVDs is
around a foot and a half thick. I get to see the successes
and the failures ("Pulseaudio" with ALSA compatibility
library removed).
(Wow.) I used to have such enthusiasm for fiddling (though not to _that_
extent!)! My interests have changed over the last decade or decade and a
half; my main leisure activity these days, I think, is genealogy. I've
changed in other ways too - my TV watching is very different, for
example, and not just because of technology changes: I watch far less
news these days, despite it being more available.
[]
Post by Paul
The Update policy on Linux, has varied with time. At
one time, it was purely under user control. Nothing would
happen, without the user. Now, the practices have become
more varied, and more user research is required to
remain in control. It's not Windows Update, but...
I suspect there is some inevitability in moves in that direction as
something matures (over decades).
Post by Paul
*******
So by all means, give it a whirl. Taste the pudding.
Unlikely, I fear. (Eating - that's another thing I vary less now,
although I was never a great seeker after novelty in that area.)
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The problem with any experiment is when to decide that it's done.

If you want a hobby, or some software that only runs on linux,
virtualbox can...maybe do what you want. If you need direct
hardware support, VBox may not support it. On the other hand,
the limited hardware emulation in VBox may insulate you from
problems you'll have when you directly install linux on the hardware.

Ditto for live DVDs.
Great for taking a quick luck at the user interface, but you can't go
much past what's installed on the DVD already. You can expect that
to work well. Problem is when you start to dig below the surface.
There are skeletons down there.

The real fun is when you want to get all the hardware working.
The gurus will tell you that it's trivial to dual boot.
First issue is that dual-boot is such a PITA that you'll rapidly
grow tired of it.
And, the install screen probably gives you the option to
overwrite the whole disk or partition it yourself, with NO guidance
on which, how many, what size to make 'em.
That kind of non-support is one of the big reasons that newbies
have difficulty. You may do an update and receive the option
to update GRUB. What the heck is grub? Ok, sure update it.
Well, your windows may no longer boot. It's not hard to prevent if
you're a guru. For the rest of us it's not hard the second time.
The first time, you'll pull out all your hair.

If you really want to defect from windows, go buy an old cheap
computer to run linux independently. Tweak it until you're ready
to leave windows behind and just do it.

You'll see endless pissing matches over which distro with which
desktop manager. You can learn ANY desktop manager or user interface.
Play with live DVDs and pick the one you dislike least.
Windows 10 has set the bar very low.
Don't sweat it; it'll be different soon anyway.
The problem with desktop linux is getting it do do the FUNCTIONS
you currently use in a manner familiar to you. Expect to relearn
everything and just do it. There are some things you won't be
able to do. If you use those in windows, prepare to give 'em up.
Your peeps will not change to linux just so they can do it your way.

Seriously...Play with linux on a DIFFERENT computer.
Stand in your front yard and yell, "I need an obsolete computer!"
By next morning you won't be able to get out your front door
for all the computers piled up. If you're on my block, you won't
even have to wait 'till morning.

Do not experiment with linux on the same machine you use for
your daily activities. I've tried it numerous times and usually
ended up shooting myself in the foot. The price of old computers
is nearly zero.
It's a no-brainer.

If you're unable to reconfigure a junk computer,
you have no business trying desktop linux. It requires
much the same mindset.
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Post by Paul
You can easily install VirtualBox from Sun/Oracle for
free, and load up a Linux setup in a VirtualBox window.
No.
*You* can easily do that. I guess I probably could, if I put my mind to
it, but not *easily*.
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The problem with any experiment is when to decide that it's done.
If you want a hobby, or some software that only runs on linux,
I used to hobby/experiment like that. Now I have other interests.
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The gurus will tell you that it's trivial to dual boot.
First issue is that dual-boot is such a PITA that you'll rapidly
grow tired of it.
And, the install screen probably gives you the option to
overwrite the whole disk or partition it yourself, with NO guidance
on which, how many, what size to make 'em.
That kind of non-support is one of the big reasons that newbies
have difficulty. You may do an update and receive the option
to update GRUB. What the heck is grub? Ok, sure update it.
Well, your windows may no longer boot. It's not hard to prevent if
you're a guru. For the rest of us it's not hard the second time.
The first time, you'll pull out all your hair.
All well-said.
Post by mike
If you really want to defect from windows, go buy an old cheap
That's the rub: the assumption that I do, or even might (-:.
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You'll see endless pissing matches over which distro with which
desktop manager.
You mean there are TWO of such decisions to make? Oh, STFaGOS (-:!
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The problem with desktop linux is getting it do do the FUNCTIONS
you currently use in a manner familiar to you. Expect to relearn
everything and just do it. There are some things you won't be
able to do. If you use those in windows, prepare to give 'em up.
(And, to be fair, I'm sure there are things it can do that Windows
can't.) _That_ "learning curve" (cliff) is something I CBA with these
days, though I probably would have once.
Post by mike
Your peeps will not change to linux just so they can do it your way.
No peeps, just me!
Post by mike
Seriously...Play with linux on a DIFFERENT computer.
Sounds like very sound advice.
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If you're unable to reconfigure a junk computer,
you have no business trying desktop linux. It requires
much the same mindset.
Which I no longer have - even reconfiguring it in Windows (even the one
it comes with) is something I have a lot less enthusiasm for now than I
once did.
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| Seriously...Play with linux on a DIFFERENT computer.

Or why not multi-boot? I've never understood the
point of running an OS under software, under an OS.
It's *so* clunky and resource-wasting. With multi-
booting one can use an actual Linux computer at any
time, and also work on Windows files, assuming there
are data partitions to share through.

The only caveat is that Linux installers
have become increasingly pushy, with a for-dummies
UI that can make it sometimes difficult to be sure
you're installing to the intended Linux partition and
not overwriting a Windows partition. (Always image
the current Windows install(s) to be on the safe side.)

For years I multi-booted various flavors of Linux,
starting in '99 with Red Hat 4, Mandrake, and Boot
Magic. I'd also have 3 flavors of Win 9x, mainly for
testing software.
Later I switched to BootIt and last tried
Mandriva and Suse 12. Each time I stopped using
Linux when I got the basics ironed out and realized
that it was inferior to Windows in numerous practical
ways. Lack of software and lack of polish being the
most obvious shortcomings. But then with later
versions hiding true root, the big advantage of a
system with no restrictions was lost and popular
Linux versions became somewhat schizophrenic. On
the one hand, they increasingly presented a civilian,
locked-down UI. But one still needed console windows
and digging deep in /etc to get anything done. One had
to fight to get around obstacles just as one had to do
with Vista/7. And asking advice in Linux groups
would elicit the same reaction as in Windows groups,
albeit with less civility: "You're NOT SUPPOSED TO be
root, dufus!"

At some point it becomes just a bad joke. One goes
to all that trouble to end up, once again, a delinquent
tweaker on one's own computer, except this time
with no software. :)
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The only caveat is that Linux installers
have become increasingly pushy, with a for-dummies
UI that can make it sometimes difficult to be sure
you're installing to the intended Linux partition and
not overwriting a Windows partition. (Always image
the current Windows install(s) to be on the safe side.)
Solution: One hard drive for Linux and another for Windows. When
installing either, disconnect the other hard drive. Once done, use the
BIOS to choose which OS to boot into.
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| Solution: One hard drive for Linux and another for Windows. When
| installing either, disconnect the other hard drive. Once done, use the
| BIOS to choose which OS to boot into.

That's an option, as are hard disk caddies that
allow for easily swapping out drives. But multi-
boot software is an easier, more flexible approach
that allows booting any number of OSs without
needing to adjust hardware or BIOS. Basically,
the boot software is always booted and takes
over from there to provide a choice of which OS
to boot. It's only the initial install that takes some
care. Then one also doesn't need to dedicate a
whole disk to an OS and doesn't need to alter the
arrangement of data partitions.

A standard hard disk can have 4 primary
partitions. Any of those can be an extended
partition, which can contain any number of logical
partitions. Linux can boot from a logical partition.
That means that even the most basic arrangement
can allow booting 3 Windows versions and any number
of Linux versions from one disk, while still allowing
for data partitions. (Personally I allow 10 GB for XP
and 60-100 for Win7. Given current disk sizes, that
leaves *a lot* of space for Linux and data.)

Actually, Windows is worse than Linux. Windows
has always had a parochial design, refusing to
acknowledge even other versions of itself. More
recently Windows might recognize *supported*
Windows versions, but then takes the liberty of
overwriting the boot sector. So while I'm careful
with Linux, with Windows I'd be inclined to install,
clean up, image, then write the image to disk
after the boot software is set up. Later Windows
also requires cleaning up the default, separate, mini
boot partition in order to make that approach work.
Though later versions of Windows are less likely to
be multi-booted due to the crippling of product
activation.
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| Solution: One hard drive for Linux and another for Windows. When
| installing either, disconnect the other hard drive. Once done, use the
| BIOS to choose which OS to boot into.
That's an option, as are hard disk caddies that
allow for easily swapping out drives. But multi-
boot software is an easier, more flexible approach
that allows booting any number of OSs without
needing to adjust hardware or BIOS.
No need to adjust anything. On one computer, F8 brings up the boot menu
and on another F11 does it.

Basically,
Post by Mayayana
the boot software is always booted and takes
over from there to provide a choice of which OS
to boot. It's only the initial install that takes some
care. Then one also doesn't need to dedicate a
whole disk to an OS and doesn't need to alter the
arrangement of data partitions.
Ever hear of Grub what that does to your Windows install if you need to
reinstall Windows?
Post by Mayayana
A standard hard disk can have 4 primary
partitions.
And if it dies, so do all the operating systems.

Snip.
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| Ever hear of Grub what that does to your Windows install if you need to
| reinstall Windows?
|

No. Why would you let something like Grub handle
your multi-boot? I've always used Windows software.
The difference is that commercial Windows software
is not beta and it generally comes with docs. :)

| >
| > A standard hard disk can have 4 primary
| > partitions.
|
| And if it dies, so do all the operating systems.
|

That's always a risk. Buying extra hard disks is
not an economical or efficient backup strategy.
With the multi-boot approach you'd typically
use disk images. I always have disk images of any
Windows computer I use, with the system cleaned
up and most or all software installed, so that only
data needs to be backed up. And the multi-boot
software I've used comes with tools for that. My
current choice, BootIt, is something I've used for
many years. It handles partitioning, booting, disk
imaging, etc. There's no need to settle for just boot
software.
But frankly I've never used Linux enough to need
to image that. I've never found it to be a system
that I've regarded as being useful enough or stable
enough to need backup. If I don't get to the point
of actually doing work on a system then there's
nothing at risk if I lose it.

I'm not saying you shouldn't use multiple disks.
I used to know a programmer who kept different
Windows versions on separate disks and then
popped them into a caddy built into the computer
to switch systems. That worked for him to test
his software on different Windows versions. I just
don't think that's the most efficient or easiest or
most economical or most secure approach. It's
better to store multiple disk images and put those
on a hard disk for booting. Separate the software
from the hardware. Also separate the OS from the
data and back up the latter. That way you're never
depending on hardware for anything. Nor are you
depending on having all of your software install disks.
Your multi-disk setup will be cooked, and all data
plus OSs lost, with something like a heavy surge from
a close lightning strike. Not a big risk, but it happens.
All hard disks are also always at risk of sudden death.
That *is* a big risk. A hard disk is not a safe
storage solution for an OS or for data. And data
stored on C drive is worse. You risk both hardware
and Windows failure.
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| Seriously...Play with linux on a DIFFERENT computer.
Or why not multi-boot?
This depends on what you're testing.

*Don't* multi-boot Debian. The actual Debian
installer over the years, has damaged two disks
on me. Many other distros are "safe" in that respect.
Other distros aren't quite as "greedy" and
"unforgiving".

To me, it's obvious some Debian developers want only
their OS on the hard drive.

I had a disk with three Linux distros already on it.
Debian was going to be the fourth. It wiped the
other three on me. Should I have backed up before
I begun - maybe. But I'd put the other three on
there, with no safety precautions.

*******

You can even do multiboot inside a VM if you want,
isolating your experiments from your host OS.

There are things VirtualBox does well - that would
be USB passthru for running things like scanners.

There are things VirtualBox doesn't do well. The UEFI
implementation isn't very good (compared to the
UEFI in the BIOS of my Test Machine). So if you're
attempting to test some sort of UEFI situation,
VBox might not be the best at that. And the support
for a variety of virtual disk formats isn't complete
either (.vhd, .vmdk, etc). It still doesn't have
code to compact virtual disk files properly for all
supported virtual disk formats, which means using
other methods instead. When you delete files inside
a virtual environment, you "don't get the space back".
A technique is required, maybe every six months,
to tidy up the virtual disk so it takes less space
to store it.

But as a general test environment, it's plenty good.
If you want to see what a Linux environment looks
like, you can test in there.

I also like VMs for preventing my C: from becoming
bloated. On rare occasions when I want to run
Visual Studio Express (freebie), I might do that
in a VM, rather than clutter up the main OS. And then
toss the installation later. A typical usage scenario,
might be if I wanted to build Firefox from source.
Firefox might not use the Visual Studio IDE, but
the build environment wants a "gcc or g++" kinda
command line tool for the build. And you can run
Visual Studio executables, without a Visual Studio
window appearing on the screen.

Paul
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I had a disk with three Linux distros already on it.
Debian was going to be the fourth. It wiped the
other three on me. Should I have backed up before
I begun - maybe. But I'd put the other three on
there, with no safety precautions.
snip

Hi Paul - do you happen to know if Acronis (or Macrium) boot disks will
do for Linux system backups (preferably including resize as for DOS)?
I have (since the current ransom thing) repurposed two 10 year old XP
machines for friends to Linux mainly for internet stuff and they work
very well - but they ought to have a backup strategy of some sort too.
Thanks. C+
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Post by Paul
I had a disk with three Linux distros already on it.
Debian was going to be the fourth. It wiped the
other three on me. Should I have backed up before
I begun - maybe. But I'd put the other three on
there, with no safety precautions.
snip
Hi Paul - do you happen to know if Acronis (or Macrium) boot disks will
do for Linux system backups (preferably including resize as for DOS)?
I have (since the current ransom thing) repurposed two 10 year old XP
machines for friends to Linux mainly for internet stuff and they work
very well - but they ought to have a backup strategy of some sort too.
Thanks. C+
I've used Macrium for EXT work.

I don't think I've tried resizing EXT on restore. My
main reason for backups in that case, was for safety
backups. As opposed to fancy manipulations.

One thing I noticed, is on a backup, if there are 20GB
of files on a 200GB EXT partition, the output .mrimg might
be 30GB in size. The progress indicator hits 100%, and the
backup continues to run for a time, with the indicator
stuck at 100%. I suspect this might be the journal on
EXT3 or EXT4 that it's backing up. Because the copying
it's doing, seems to be of the "intelligent" flavor, my
guess would be that resize is possible.

You should be able to test this in a VM.

If you had BTRFS, ZFS, Reiser, then I wouldn't expect Macrium
to know all of them. But EXT is popular enough, that I think
more than one backup tool knows it. Even my copy of Partition
Magic handled EXT1, so the notion has been kicking around for
a while.

When Macrium doesn't know what it's backing up, the .mrimg
is the same size as the partition. (200GB to backup a 200GB
unknown partition.) And it isn't practical to attempt to
resize an unknown partition. If you want something to
"break" all the backup tools, try installing FreeBSD in
a VM and see how they handle that :-)

*******

When Macrium makes boot media, it can include drivers for
the WinPE environment. If I were to take my X79 Macrium
disc and boot it on my old P4 machine, I don't know if I'd
be able to backup to a network share. There's a good chance
USB backup will still work. If you use WinPE5 or WinPE10
options during the boot media creation, that should give you
USB3 support (Microsoft generic driver). But if you want
networking support, you'd really want to prepare the media
on a Windows OS that was installed on the machine in question.
As a result here, I have separate boot media for each machine
(to get the best results possible, like restoring from a
file share on the other computer).

I would say, no matter what commercial backup tool you choose
to use, it's a lot easier to "dial in" the product while
the target machine is present in your room. If you want
to make a "care package" for a machine that's left your
grasp, it's a *lot* harder to do a perfect job of preparing
it for someone to use. And drivers for the emergency boot
CD is part of that story. Not every Macrium Boot CD I've made
here, has working file sharing. Just as an example.

Paul
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I had a disk with three Linux distros already on it.
Debian was going to be the fourth. It wiped the
other three on me. Should I have backed up before
I begun - maybe. But I'd put the other three on
there, with no safety precautions.
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Hi Paul - do you happen to know if Acronis (or Macrium) boot disks will
do for Linux system backups (preferably including resize as for DOS)?
I have (since the current ransom thing) repurposed two 10 year old XP
machines for friends to Linux mainly for internet stuff and they work
very well - but they ought to have a backup strategy of some sort too.
Thanks. C+
I've used Macrium for EXT work.
I don't think I've tried resizing EXT on restore. My
main reason for backups in that case, was for safety
backups. As opposed to fancy manipulations.
One thing I noticed, is on a backup, if there are 20GB
of files on a 200GB EXT partition, the output .mrimg might
be 30GB in size. The progress indicator hits 100%, and the
backup continues to run for a time, with the indicator
stuck at 100%. I suspect this might be the journal on
EXT3 or EXT4 that it's backing up. Because the copying
it's doing, seems to be of the "intelligent" flavor, my
guess would be that resize is possible.
You should be able to test this in a VM.
If you had BTRFS, ZFS, Reiser, then I wouldn't expect Macrium
to know all of them. But EXT is popular enough, that I think
more than one backup tool knows it. Even my copy of Partition
Magic handled EXT1, so the notion has been kicking around for
a while.
When Macrium doesn't know what it's backing up, the .mrimg
is the same size as the partition. (200GB to backup a 200GB
unknown partition.) And it isn't practical to attempt to
resize an unknown partition. If you want something to
"break" all the backup tools, try installing FreeBSD in
a VM and see how they handle that :-)
*******
When Macrium makes boot media, it can include drivers for
the WinPE environment. If I were to take my X79 Macrium
disc and boot it on my old P4 machine, I don't know if I'd
be able to backup to a network share. There's a good chance
USB backup will still work. If you use WinPE5 or WinPE10
options during the boot media creation, that should give you
USB3 support (Microsoft generic driver). But if you want
networking support, you'd really want to prepare the media
on a Windows OS that was installed on the machine in question.
As a result here, I have separate boot media for each machine
(to get the best results possible, like restoring from a
file share on the other computer).
I would say, no matter what commercial backup tool you choose
to use, it's a lot easier to "dial in" the product while
the target machine is present in your room. If you want
to make a "care package" for a machine that's left your
grasp, it's a *lot* harder to do a perfect job of preparing
it for someone to use. And drivers for the emergency boot
CD is part of that story. Not every Macrium Boot CD I've made
here, has working file sharing. Just as an example.
Paul
TVM for such a full answer - I will do a little experimenting!
I always teach people to do and keep their own backups so I'm not trying
to do remote stuff... Thanks again. C+
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