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slate_leeper
2018-04-05 18:08:04 UTC
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I found four strange files on my computer today:
edbres000001.jrs
edbres000002.jrs
edb.chk
edb.log


I understand that these normally having something to do with Win-7
error checking. What I am concerned about is that they appeared in my
Downloads directory. All except the .chk file are the exact same
length (5,120 kb),. The .chk file is 8 kb.) All are time stamped
yesterday, about 5 pm.

Note that these same file names exist in
windows/softwaredistribution/datastore/logs where the size of the
three larger is 1,280 kb. The latest date modified on those is
02/08/2018.

So, what are these new ones doing there, and can I delete them?

-dan z-
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Paul
2018-04-05 18:27:35 UTC
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edbres000001.jrs
edbres000002.jrs
edb.chk
edb.log
I understand that these normally having something to do with Win-7
error checking. What I am concerned about is that they appeared in my
Downloads directory. All except the .chk file are the exact same
length (5,120 kb),. The .chk file is 8 kb.) All are time stamped
yesterday, about 5 pm.
Note that these same file names exist in
windows/softwaredistribution/datastore/logs where the size of the
three larger is 1,280 kb. The latest date modified on those is
02/08/2018.
So, what are these new ones doing there, and can I delete them?
-dan z-
Would they be journal files for a Jet Blue ESE database ?

Microsoft likes to use that, for things like SearchIndexer,
WindowsUpdate, and possibly some mail project.

There's not a good reason for that to be in your
Downloads folder. If you had a portable tool, that made
a jounaled database, then that might explain it.

Find some files ending in .edb on your computer,
and see if a set of journal files are right next to it.
Then compare the names, to see if the names have
a similar format.

Windows.edb is used by the Search Indexer. And
somewhere in SoftwareDistribution, should be some
sort of .edb file as well.

You may need something like Agent Ransack, to find files
like that. For example, the Search Indexer is not allowed
to index its own database file (as that would cause a loop),
so by definition a Windows search box should not be able
to locate Windows.edb. But Agent Ransack or Everything.exe
shouldn't have a problem finding some .edb files for you.

*******

If you were a crazy person, you could go to the Search Indexer
control panel, move the location of the database to
your Downloads folder. And maybe then the journal files
would end up in Downloads ?

Paul
slate_leeper
2018-04-06 13:41:57 UTC
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edbres000001.jrs
edbres000002.jrs
edb.chk
edb.log
I understand that these normally having something to do with Win-7
error checking. What I am concerned about is that they appeared in my
Downloads directory. All except the .chk file are the exact same
length (5,120 kb),. The .chk file is 8 kb.) All are time stamped
yesterday, about 5 pm.
Note that these same file names exist in
windows/softwaredistribution/datastore/logs where the size of the
three larger is 1,280 kb. The latest date modified on those is
02/08/2018.
So, what are these new ones doing there, and can I delete them?
-dan z-
Would they be journal files for a Jet Blue ESE database ?
Microsoft likes to use that, for things like SearchIndexer,
WindowsUpdate, and possibly some mail project.
There's not a good reason for that to be in your
Downloads folder. If you had a portable tool, that made
a jounaled database, then that might explain it.
Find some files ending in .edb on your computer,
and see if a set of journal files are right next to it.
Then compare the names, to see if the names have
a similar format.
Windows.edb is used by the Search Indexer. And
somewhere in SoftwareDistribution, should be some
sort of .edb file as well.
You may need something like Agent Ransack, to find files
like that. For example, the Search Indexer is not allowed
to index its own database file (as that would cause a loop),
so by definition a Windows search box should not be able
to locate Windows.edb. But Agent Ransack or Everything.exe
shouldn't have a problem finding some .edb files for you.
*******
If you were a crazy person, you could go to the Search Indexer
control panel, move the location of the database to
your Downloads folder. And maybe then the journal files
would end up in Downloads ?
Paul
Hi Paul,

I actually have the search indexer turned off (windows search service
set to disabled.)

All the .edb files found with Ransack seem to be related to Windows
Live Mail and Calendar, which may explain this. I just installed eM
Client email on both my Win-7 and new Win-10 computers. I am going to
be using this program as the default email on the Win-10 computer. I
installed it on this Win-7 computer because it automatically imports
all your existing contacts, emails, etc. from Windows Live Mail,
making it easy to put them on the new computer.

The eM Client install file is in the Downloads folder. Perhaps it
installed these files in that same folder instead of in it's own
folder in appdata.

On the other hand, maybe not related. Just ran that email program, and
date modified on these files did not change. But then the Live Mail
ones haven't changed since early February, and I run that at least
once daily.

Balloon tip hovering over the edb.chk file says "Recovered file
fragment - pieces of files found when your disk was scanned."

Scanned by what? I am not aware of any scans performed.

So last night I ran chkdsk /f /r /b. All checks, including files,
passed with zero errors until the end where, just before it finished
and vanished from screen to finish bootup, I saw something like
"Bitmap has been repaired."

-dan z-
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Paul
2018-04-06 14:17:41 UTC
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edbres000001.jrs
edbres000002.jrs
edb.chk
edb.log
I understand that these normally having something to do with Win-7
error checking. What I am concerned about is that they appeared in my
Downloads directory. All except the .chk file are the exact same
length (5,120 kb),. The .chk file is 8 kb.) All are time stamped
yesterday, about 5 pm.
Note that these same file names exist in
windows/softwaredistribution/datastore/logs where the size of the
three larger is 1,280 kb. The latest date modified on those is
02/08/2018.
So, what are these new ones doing there, and can I delete them?
-dan z-
Would they be journal files for a Jet Blue ESE database ?
Microsoft likes to use that, for things like SearchIndexer,
WindowsUpdate, and possibly some mail project.
There's not a good reason for that to be in your
Downloads folder. If you had a portable tool, that made
a jounaled database, then that might explain it.
Find some files ending in .edb on your computer,
and see if a set of journal files are right next to it.
Then compare the names, to see if the names have
a similar format.
Windows.edb is used by the Search Indexer. And
somewhere in SoftwareDistribution, should be some
sort of .edb file as well.
You may need something like Agent Ransack, to find files
like that. For example, the Search Indexer is not allowed
to index its own database file (as that would cause a loop),
so by definition a Windows search box should not be able
to locate Windows.edb. But Agent Ransack or Everything.exe
shouldn't have a problem finding some .edb files for you.
*******
If you were a crazy person, you could go to the Search Indexer
control panel, move the location of the database to
your Downloads folder. And maybe then the journal files
would end up in Downloads ?
Paul
Hi Paul,
I actually have the search indexer turned off (windows search service
set to disabled.)
All the .edb files found with Ransack seem to be related to Windows
Live Mail and Calendar, which may explain this. I just installed eM
Client email on both my Win-7 and new Win-10 computers. I am going to
be using this program as the default email on the Win-10 computer. I
installed it on this Win-7 computer because it automatically imports
all your existing contacts, emails, etc. from Windows Live Mail,
making it easy to put them on the new computer.
The eM Client install file is in the Downloads folder. Perhaps it
installed these files in that same folder instead of in it's own
folder in appdata.
On the other hand, maybe not related. Just ran that email program, and
date modified on these files did not change. But then the Live Mail
ones haven't changed since early February, and I run that at least
once daily.
Balloon tip hovering over the edb.chk file says "Recovered file
fragment - pieces of files found when your disk was scanned."
Scanned by what? I am not aware of any scans performed.
So last night I ran chkdsk /f /r /b. All checks, including files,
passed with zero errors until the end where, just before it finished
and vanished from screen to finish bootup, I saw something like
"Bitmap has been repaired."
-dan z-
So they weren't really committed and may have been
a transient from your eM Client. Maybe something
was doing a "conversion", and it crashed or something,
leaving debris behind ?

But now that CHKDSK has removed them, the only
conclusion now is, that you were hallucinating :-)
That's what the computer said.

If could be that your eM Client copied a .edb file
into your Downloads to do some work, and that
cruft is produced by the database engine that
tried to access/query the database. That would be
my guess why such files would be around.

How at least some email clients work, is they
carry out a protocol with a running copy of the
old client, and they ask the program to send them
a .mbox for each email message in the database.
That scheme is supposed to avoid the need for
one program to be "snooping" directly into the
database format of the other program. Importation
at the message-by-message level, avoids having
to do database work.

Paul
slate_leeper
2018-04-07 12:40:53 UTC
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So they weren't really committed and may have been
a transient from your eM Client. Maybe something
was doing a "conversion", and it crashed or something,
leaving debris behind ?
But now that CHKDSK has removed them, the only
conclusion now is, that you were hallucinating :-)
That's what the computer said.
If could be that your eM Client copied a .edb file
into your Downloads to do some work, and that
cruft is produced by the database engine that
tried to access/query the database. That would be
my guess why such files would be around.
How at least some email clients work, is they
carry out a protocol with a running copy of the
old client, and they ask the program to send them
a .mbox for each email message in the database.
That scheme is supposed to avoid the need for
one program to be "snooping" directly into the
database format of the other program. Importation
at the message-by-message level, avoids having
to do database work.
Paul
I really appreciate you taking some time to help me try to figure this
out, Paul. Sometimes trying to explain things brings new realizations
and clarity. You were a big help. Anyhow, I guess the Win-7 system is
OK, and I will just delete those files. I had already changed the file
names to <originalname>.bak with no apparent changes in system
behavior.

-dan z-
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a nice contrast to the real world.
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Wolf K
2018-04-05 23:24:19 UTC
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edbres000001.jrs
edbres000002.jrs
edb.chk
edb.log
I understand that these normally having something to do with Win-7
error checking. What I am concerned about is that they appeared in my
Downloads directory. All except the .chk file are the exact same
length (5,120 kb),. The .chk file is 8 kb.) All are time stamped
yesterday, about 5 pm.
Note that these same file names exist in
windows/softwaredistribution/datastore/logs where the size of the
three larger is 1,280 kb. The latest date modified on those is
02/08/2018.
So, what are these new ones doing there, and can I delete them?
-dan z-
Search on ".jrs file" yields many hits, here's one:

http://www.cryer.co.uk/file-types/j/jrs.htm
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