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Ed Cryer
2017-06-16 18:48:45 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free version
has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying spam and a
degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm also sick of
euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?

Ed
Mike Easter
2017-06-16 19:09:36 UTC
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MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good enough' to
serve as realtime protection for the advantages of unobtrusive and low
system resource demands. It compares 'unfavorably' against others at AV
comparatives in certain tests. You could get by with that and periodic
supplementation with some other periodic scanner/s.

It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives 'impact'
comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world protection.
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Rene Lamontagne
2017-06-16 19:29:50 UTC
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MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good enough' to
serve as realtime protection for the advantages of unobtrusive and low
system resource demands. It compares 'unfavorably' against others at AV
comparatives in certain tests. You could get by with that and periodic
supplementation with some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives 'impact'
comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any intrusions
for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)

Rene
Mike Easter
2017-06-16 20:01:27 UTC
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I run it and Malware-bytes
Malwarebytes as realtime or just periodic?
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CRNG
2017-06-17 06:08:41 UTC
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MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good enough' to
serve as realtime protection for the advantages of unobtrusive and low
system resource demands. It compares 'unfavorably' against others at AV
comparatives in certain tests. You could get by with that and periodic
supplementation with some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives 'impact'
comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any intrusions
for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
I have Win7pro/32. How do I determine if MSE is installed on my
computer? When I look in Control Panel > Programs > Programs and
Features, I don't see it.

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Ed Cryer
2017-06-17 11:08:43 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good enough' to
serve as realtime protection for the advantages of unobtrusive and low
system resource demands. It compares 'unfavorably' against others at AV
comparatives in certain tests. You could get by with that and periodic
supplementation with some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives 'impact'
comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any intrusions
for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
I have Win7pro/32. How do I determine if MSE is installed on my
computer? When I look in Control Panel > Programs > Programs and
Features, I don't see it.
Thanks
Entry in Control Panel/ uninstall list
Icon in systray; green tent with white tick
Entry in Program Files(X86)/ Microsoft Security Client

Ed
Diesel
2017-06-17 11:34:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world
protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is NOT a
suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do anything with an
actual virus. It cannot clean infected or patched files. It doesn't
scan inside ms word .doc files, either.
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Ed Cryer
2017-06-17 17:40:08 UTC
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Post by Rene Lamontagne
Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world
protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is NOT a
suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do anything with an
actual virus. It cannot clean infected or patched files. It doesn't
scan inside ms word .doc files, either.
Cobblers!
I was recently ferreting inside the Malwarebytes folder, and I found the
quarantine file had got a bit plumptious. So I investigated how to empty
it, and the method is to simply delete it.

It didn't get fat by accident.

Ed
David E. Ross
2017-06-17 18:34:09 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world
protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is NOT a
suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do anything with an
actual virus. It cannot clean infected or patched files. It doesn't
scan inside ms word .doc files, either.
Cobblers!
I was recently ferreting inside the Malwarebytes folder, and I found the
quarantine file had got a bit plumptious. So I investigated how to empty
it, and the method is to simply delete it.
It didn't get fat by accident.
Ed
What is the file-name of the quarantine file?
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Diesel
2017-06-18 12:52:16 UTC
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Post by Diesel
Post by Rene Lamontagne
Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the
moment. But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain
tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world
protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen
an elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is
NOT a suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do anything
with an actual virus. It cannot clean infected or patched files.
It doesn't scan inside ms word .doc files, either.
Cobblers!
I was recently ferreting inside the Malwarebytes folder, and I
found the quarantine file had got a bit plumptious. So I
investigated how to empty it, and the method is to simply delete
it.
It didn't get fat by accident.
That folder includes registry key settings prior to alteration
(typically reset to 'known' safe defaults), cookies, etc. Not
everything you found there was actually 'malware' in the
binary/executable code or script sense.
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Ed Cryer
2017-06-18 20:09:11 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the
moment. But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain
tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent real-world
protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years.
Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen
an elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is
NOT a suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do anything
with an actual virus. It cannot clean infected or patched files.
It doesn't scan inside ms word .doc files, either.
Cobblers!
I was recently ferreting inside the Malwarebytes folder, and I
found the quarantine file had got a bit plumptious. So I
investigated how to empty it, and the method is to simply delete
it.
It didn't get fat by accident.
That folder includes registry key settings prior to alteration
(typically reset to 'known' safe defaults), cookies, etc. Not
everything you found there was actually 'malware' in the
binary/executable code or script sense.
ProgramData/ Malwarebytes/ Malwarebytes Anti-Malware/ Quarantine

Adwcleaner is now part of the MB suite. Its quarantine is;
Adwcleaner/ quarantine

I've had MB find stuff and deal with it, and it didn't find the same
thing again with a re-run.

Ed
Diesel
2017-06-19 11:32:34 UTC
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MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive and malleable at the
moment. But does it protect?
It has advantages and disadvantages. It is probably 'good
enough' to serve as realtime protection for the advantages of
unobtrusive and low system resource demands. It compares
'unfavorably' against others at AV comparatives in certain tests.
You could get by with that and periodic supplementation with
some other periodic scanner/s.
It scores the highest/best on the most recent AV-Comparatives
'impact' comparison and does 'ok' on the most recent
real-world protection.
Works for me, I run it and Malware-bytes and haven't had any
intrusions for years. Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants
away too, Haven't seen an elephant in ages. :-)
Rene
Just keep in mind, despite the marketing hype, Malwarebytes is
NOT a suitable replacement for antivirus. It doesn't do
anything with an actual virus. It cannot clean infected or
patched files. It doesn't scan inside ms word .doc files,
either.
Cobblers! I was recently ferreting inside the Malwarebytes
folder, and I found the quarantine file had got a bit
plumptious. So I investigated how to empty it, and the method is
to simply delete it.
It didn't get fat by accident.
That folder includes registry key settings prior to alteration
(typically reset to 'known' safe defaults), cookies, etc. Not
everything you found there was actually 'malware' in the
binary/executable code or script sense.
ProgramData/ Malwarebytes/ Malwarebytes Anti-Malware/ Quarantine
Adwcleaner is now part of the MB suite. Its quarantine is;
Adwcleaner/ quarantine
I've had MB find stuff and deal with it, and it didn't find the
same thing again with a re-run.
Okay. it's clear to me that you haven't got the foggiest idea of what
I've already written about, so, I'll leave you to your devices. Safe
surfing!
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FredW
2017-06-18 16:35:18 UTC
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Oh and did I mention it keeps elephants away too, Haven't seen an
elephant in ages. :-)
Just a few days ago I saw a lot of elephants.
http://www.elephant-village-pattaya.com/elephant-training-show/

:-)
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Buffalo
2017-06-16 22:41:20 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free version
has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying spam and a
degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm also sick of
euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
Ed
Try the free Avast and put it in 'Game Mode'.

That stops almost all of the annoying popups.

Seems to be low impact, also.

Quick and asy to try. Also free!!
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The Newest Other Guy
2017-06-16 22:52:58 UTC
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Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
In a word..


NO!!
Ken Blake
2017-06-17 14:33:54 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
In a word..
NO!!
That word is completely wrong. Of course it protects.

Does it protect *perfectly*. No. But no anti-virus program does.
mechanic
2017-06-17 14:40:56 UTC
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Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
In a word..
NO!!
A bit harsh - see here:
http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html
Ed Cryer
2017-06-17 17:52:55 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free version
has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying spam and a
degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm also sick of
euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite unobtrusive
and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
Ed
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/avg.html

Ed
Ed Cryer
2017-06-17 18:25:25 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free
version has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying spam
and a degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm also sick
of euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite
unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
Ed
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/avg.html
Ed
I battled through all those over the months; I found a way to remove
Zen, avoid the pop-ups, keep intrusiveness to a minimum; but the latest
update defeated me.
It got me into a roundelay of "Reboot to cure this"; I rebooted, it said
"Reboot to cure this" ; I rebooted, it said "..". So I did a repair
install, which went okay, rebooted and it said "Reboot to ...".

No doubt I could have found a cure, but the thought hit me "Yet another
one! AVG are hell-bound on driving me to the paid-for version; and I
(silly fool) am spending time and energy in the fight. And I have better
things to do".

So, I installed MSE.
And if MSE drags me into a similar battle, I'll uninstall it, digitise
myself and dive into the bits and pieces of this bag of tricks and do
personal battle with the little buggers that reside there; like Iron Man
and Superman.

Ed (:-
Paul
2017-06-18 01:27:19 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free
version has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying spam
and a degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm also
sick of euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite
unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
Ed
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/avg.html
Ed
I battled through all those over the months; I found a way to remove
Zen, avoid the pop-ups, keep intrusiveness to a minimum; but the latest
update defeated me.
It got me into a roundelay of "Reboot to cure this"; I rebooted, it said
"Reboot to cure this" ; I rebooted, it said "..". So I did a repair
install, which went okay, rebooted and it said "Reboot to ...".
No doubt I could have found a cure, but the thought hit me "Yet another
one! AVG are hell-bound on driving me to the paid-for version; and I
(silly fool) am spending time and energy in the fight. And I have better
things to do".
So, I installed MSE.
And if MSE drags me into a similar battle, I'll uninstall it, digitise
myself and dive into the bits and pieces of this bag of tricks and do
personal battle with the little buggers that reside there; like Iron Man
and Superman.
Ed (:-
If you're having trouble with a commercial AV product,
look for the "removal tool" for the product.

http://www.avg.com/ca-en/utilities

AVG Remover
(AVG_Remover.exe) exe March 1, 2017 7 MB

That removes the portion the "uninstaller" cannot remove.

The general idea, is first you run the product uninstaller,
and then you run the removal tool. It might be termed
a "removal" or a "cleanup" tool. It's best if the web page
that file is on, includes written instructions for usage
(i.e. they may not all work exactly the same way).

"AVG Remover is the last option to be used in case the
AVG uninstall / repair installation process has
failed repeatedly."

Paul
Ed Cryer
2017-06-18 12:33:57 UTC
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I've stuck with AVG for years. It used to be good, but the free
version has been ganged-up on with nags, errors, mazes, annoying
spam and a degree of PITA that almost rivals MS' "telemetry" (I'm
also sick of euphemisms).
Anyway, I've ditched it and installed MSE, which seems quite
unobtrusive and malleable at the moment.
But does it protect?
Ed
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/avg.html
Ed
I battled through all those over the months; I found a way to remove
Zen, avoid the pop-ups, keep intrusiveness to a minimum; but the
latest update defeated me.
It got me into a roundelay of "Reboot to cure this"; I rebooted, it
said "Reboot to cure this" ; I rebooted, it said "..". So I did a
repair install, which went okay, rebooted and it said "Reboot to ...".
No doubt I could have found a cure, but the thought hit me "Yet
another one! AVG are hell-bound on driving me to the paid-for version;
and I (silly fool) am spending time and energy in the fight. And I
have better things to do".
So, I installed MSE.
And if MSE drags me into a similar battle, I'll uninstall it, digitise
myself and dive into the bits and pieces of this bag of tricks and do
personal battle with the little buggers that reside there; like Iron
Man and Superman.
Ed (:-
If you're having trouble with a commercial AV product,
look for the "removal tool" for the product.
http://www.avg.com/ca-en/utilities
AVG Remover
(AVG_Remover.exe) exe March 1, 2017 7 MB
That removes the portion the "uninstaller" cannot remove.
The general idea, is first you run the product uninstaller,
and then you run the removal tool. It might be termed
a "removal" or a "cleanup" tool. It's best if the web page
that file is on, includes written instructions for usage
(i.e. they may not all work exactly the same way).
"AVG Remover is the last option to be used in case the
AVG uninstall / repair installation process has
failed repeatedly."
Paul
I did just that.
I always look for an additional "remover".

I go one step further, as well.
I type "AVG" into the Start/Search; and personally inspect all the files
and folders found.

Ed
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