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Where's the title in Chrome?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-25 01:06:01 UTC
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In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.

In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.

Is there a setting to make it visible?
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Monty
2018-03-25 01:31:57 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
A search for "chrome title bar missing" offered
https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Hidden-Browser-Toolbars-Back


HTH,
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-25 03:01:12 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
A search for "chrome title bar missing" offered
https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Hidden-Browser-Toolbars-Back
HTH,
NID, I'm afraid.

It says:
5. Since Chrome uses extensions to add toolbars, you'll be able to
enable any non-working toolbars from here.
6. Find your toolbar. Scroll down to the toolbar that you want to use
with Chrome.
o If you can't find the toolbar, you may first have to reinstall the
extension.
7. Enable the toolbar. Check the "Enabled" box to the right of the
toolbar extension
9. Run a virus scan. If your toolbars still won't work properly, you may
have a virus

(No even hint of _what_ extension.)

Actually, I've just noticed it is headed "How to Get Hidden Browser
Toolbars Back": I'm talking about the title bar, a standard Windows
function, not toolbars within Chrome.

But I think the next post looks more promising.
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but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by-
product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton,
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you should not use crap pagan google. common sense. a thief they are on
a large scale justlike microsoft
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Post by Monty
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
A search for "chrome title bar missing" offered
https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Hidden-Browser-Toolbars-Back
HTH,
NID, I'm afraid.
5. Since Chrome uses extensions to add toolbars, you'll be able to
enable any non-working toolbars from here.
6. Find your toolbar. Scroll down to the toolbar that you want to use
with Chrome.
o If you can't find the toolbar, you may first have to reinstall the
extension.
7. Enable the toolbar. Check the "Enabled" box to the right of the
toolbar extension
9. Run a virus scan. If your toolbars still won't work properly, you may
have a virus
(No even hint of _what_ extension.)
Actually, I've just noticed it is headed "How to Get Hidden Browser
Toolbars Back": I'm talking about the title bar, a standard Windows
function, not toolbars within Chrome.
But I think the next post looks more promising.
Mike Easter
2018-03-25 02:02:15 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
The page title is in the tab, but naturally you can't really see it
there if some tabs are open.

There is a chrome extension to enable the title display in the lower R -
called Show Title Tag. You can also move it around if you don't like
the lower R or make it go away.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/show-title-tag/pkbffbhglicfngmppdlpmpblfgnkdgio

I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in
the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the
page title in the title bar.
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Ralph Fox
2018-03-25 02:38:40 UTC
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Thunderbird/52.4.0
I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in
the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the
page title in the title bar.
In Firefox for Windows...

(a) If Firefox is configured to show tabs in the title bar (the
default), then each page's title is only in its respective tab.

(b) If Firefox is configured to show title bar and tabs separately,
then the current page's title is in the title bar
and each tab's title is also in its respective tab.

In Firefox 59 on Windows, the choice between (a) and (b) is
configured at
(Menu) >> Customize
[ ] Title bar


Firefox for Linux does not come with option (a), AFAIK.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/939371>
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Ralph
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-25 03:30:55 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown,
in the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a
page's title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
The page title is in the tab, but naturally you can't really see it
there if some tabs are open.
Yes, with a moderate number of tabs, I can only see four or three
characters of each title! It doesn't take many more before NONE of the
title is visible.
Post by Mike Easter
There is a chrome extension to enable the title display in the lower R
- called Show Title Tag. You can also move it around if you don't like
the lower R or make it go away.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/show-title-tag/pkbffbhglicfngm
ppdlpmpblfgnkdgio
Thanks - that's better than nothing, I suppose.

Except I can't see how to move it from bottom right. There's an eye
symbol, which if clicked on, makes it disappear altogether, and getting
it back requires a very arcane procedure I'd never have got without the
support page!
Post by Mike Easter
I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in
the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the
page title in the title bar.
I use 26 (-:
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but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by-
product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton,
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Ralph Fox
2018-03-25 02:16:31 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
Here, the title is in the top part of the tab in the tab bar.

Look where indicated in this screen-shot: ---> <Loading Image...>

If you have two or more web pages open in tabs, you can see all the titles
on their respective tabs in the tab bar.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-25 03:41:24 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
Here, the title is in the top part of the tab in the tab bar.
Look where indicated in this screen-shot: --->
<https://i.imgur.com/8RNxdBz.png>
If you have two or more web pages open in tabs, you can see all the titles
on their respective tabs in the tab bar.
Only if I hover over the tabs. In Firefox, I can see the title _of the
tab I have open_, all the time.
(The extension another poster pointed me to does show the title, but
AFAICS only in the bottom right corner, and it's fragile.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The desire to remain private and/or anonymous used to be a core British value,
but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by-
product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton,
Computing 6 September 2011
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2018-03-25 03:17:23 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
I'm in Linux but my Chrome allows me to right click on the tabs toolbar
(beyond the last open tab) and there is a choice to show title bar and
borders. I don't get borders, just the title bar, but that might be my
configuration of my Linux Desktop.

I know you're probably on windows but I offer as a possibility.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-25 03:53:39 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown,
in the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a
page's title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
I'm in Linux but my Chrome allows me to right click on the tabs toolbar
(beyond the last open tab) and there is a choice to show title bar and
borders. I don't get borders, just the title bar, but that might be my
configuration of my Linux Desktop.
I know you're probably on windows but I offer as a possibility.
Thanks. I am on Windows (7), and unfortunately, it doesn't have that
option. It brings up the same menu - Restore, Move, Minimise, Maximise,
New tab, Reopen closed tab, Task manager, and Close - as I get by
right-clicking in a lot of other parts of the header.

I _have_ noticed that if I maximise, minimise, or restore, that the
animation as it's moving between sizes _does_ have the title bar - but
only during the (fraction of a second) transition!
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse over a
tab. While the tab's width might be too short to show the title, a
popup balloon will appear with the full title.

The expectation is that you will have more than one tab open. A title
bar will only show the title of the page in the currently selected tab.
When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the
right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles.
To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab
management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google
Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond
what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of
extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't
even a setting in Google Chrome to set focus on a newly opened tab so
you have to get an extension for that (I use Empty New Tab Page).

OneTab
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/onetab/chphlpgkkbolifaimnlloiipkdnihall?hl=en
I don't know if its down chevron added to the right of the address bar
is for all open tabs or only for the tabs you had it unload.

Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl
Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a
learning curve than for other tab managers.

Toby
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toby-for-chrome/hddnkoipeenegfoeaoibdmnaalmgkpip
Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner.

Tabli
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabli/igeehkedfibbnhbfponhjjplpkeomghi
Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles.
Might be what you're looking for.

TooManyTabs
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toomanytabs-for-chrome/amigcgbheognjmfkaieeeadojiibgbdp
A graphical version of Tabli along with unloading tabs like OneTab.

When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title
shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs,
likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a new
window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out of the
current window). In the same way you group related subfolders based on
topic of their parent, you can manage tabs by grouping the related ones
in separate web browser windows. I do that open when there are more
than, say, 20 tabs in a window. It is unlikely that all 20 current tabs
and future tabs are all related to each other. Even if they are, there
is likely a subgrouping for the tabs, like on sub-topics when
researching something that throws you at lots of different sites.

If you're the type that piles every shortcut for every program under the
one Programs subfolder of the Start Menu (so the Programs subfolder is a
mess of shortcuts instead of subfolders for each app and even then under
subfolders for type of app) then you don't organize, won't be grouping
tabs into different windows, so you'll need an extension to help you
manage the mess.
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No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse over a
How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly
at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the
space ("screen real estate" as they say in America).
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tab. While the tab's width might be too short to show the title, a
popup balloon will appear with the full title.
Yes, I have discovered that. And as soon as I move the mouse away, the
popup disappears.
Post by VanguardLH
The expectation is that you will have more than one tab open. A title
Er - yes!
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bar will only show the title of the page in the currently selected tab.
And the main bulk of the window will only show the content of the
currently-selected tab - which is likely to be the one I'm interested
in!
Post by VanguardLH
When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the
right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles.
There isn't in mine, assuming by address bar you mean the box with the
URL in it. (I have 14 tabs open at the moment.) There's a star, which if
I hover over it brings up a tooltip Bookmark this page.
Post by VanguardLH
To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab
management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google
Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond
what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of
extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't
I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox
(and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ...
Post by VanguardLH
even a setting in Google Chrome to set focus on a newly opened tab so
you have to get an extension for that (I use Empty New Tab Page).
... although I was extremely surprised that I needed an add-on for
Chrome to make it even open a new tab as blank (if anything, I'd have
expected that to be the default and to have to have an add-on to have it
open as anything else).

But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long
enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a
large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and
restore: you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation
when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or
between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar,
_with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it
with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I
have blue title bars.)
Post by VanguardLH
OneTab
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/onetab/chphlpgkkbolifaimnlloii
pkdnihall?hl=en
I don't know if its down chevron added to the right of the address bar
is for all open tabs or only for the tabs you had it unload.
Ah, maybe you only get the chevron you mentioned above if you have that
one installed.
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Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmaml
biijnphhppkpkmkl
Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a
learning curve than for other tab managers.
Toby
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toby-for-chrome/hddnkoipeenegf
oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip
Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner.
Tabli
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabli/igeehkedfibbnhbfponhjjpl
pkeomghi
Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles.
Might be what you're looking for.
No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the
title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to
ask?
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TooManyTabs
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toomanytabs-for-chrome/amigcgb
heognjmfkaieeeadojiibgbdp
A graphical version of Tabli along with unloading tabs like OneTab.
When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title
shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs,
likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a new
window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out of the
current window). In the same way you group related subfolders based on
Again, I shall operate my computer as I wish - if I wish to open lots of
tabs in one window, I shall do so. I currently have 14 in Chrome and 27
or 28 in Firefox (in multiple rows in Firefox, since I have the Tab Mix
Plus add-on). I don't want multiple of each open; apart from anything
else, I rather like to have use the "open same tabs as you had when you
closed" function both browsers offer, and I think multiple windows would
endanger that. But it's a bit of a straw man anyway - I think more than
about only three to five tabs open would truncate the titles sufficient
to make them less useful.
Post by VanguardLH
topic of their parent, you can manage tabs by grouping the related ones
in separate web browser windows. I do that open when there are more
than, say, 20 tabs in a window. It is unlikely that all 20 current tabs
Certainly, 20 tabs would probably give me between 0 and 2 characters of
the title in each, which is useless.
Post by VanguardLH
and future tabs are all related to each other. Even if they are, there
is likely a subgrouping for the tabs, like on sub-topics when
researching something that throws you at lots of different sites.
If you're the type that piles every shortcut for every program under the
one Programs subfolder of the Start Menu (so the Programs subfolder is a
mess of shortcuts instead of subfolders for each app and even then under
subfolders for type of app) then you don't organize, won't be grouping
tabs into different windows, so you'll need an extension to help you
manage the mess.
My programme shortcuts are divided into subsections (e. g. disc,
optical, genealogy, images, internet, sound & video, registry, hardware,
...). My bookmarks in Firefox are sorted three deep. The files on my D
drive are well sorted. But if you would allow 20 tabs in a Chrome
window, you aren't seeing usable titles.

If you want a _reason_ why I want to see titles in full and all the time
- there are probably lots of them, but I'll give one: YouTube tend to
show the details of the current video in the title bar.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse ...
How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly
at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the
space ("screen real estate" as they say in America).
How arrogant of YOU that you think their software becomes your property
just because you use it on your computer. Yes, it's your hardware.
That doesn't change that it is THEIR software.

Choices are: use a different web browser with the features you demand or
install extensions to add features that you demand.

I bet you think you own the land on which sits your house. Once the
mortage is paid, yes, you own the house. You never own the land. Just
stop making your property tax and eventually the gov't will seize
everything: the land and everything on it (although you could move the
house which is your property).
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the
right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles.
There isn't in mine, assuming by address bar you mean the box with
the URL in it.
Oops, I was confusing with a feature in Firefox.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab
management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google
Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond
what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of
extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't
I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox
(and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ...
Extensions are even more ubiquitous with Google Chrome. Features in
Firefox that require extensions in Google Chrome:

- Empty New Page
Firefox lets you specify loading a blank tab.
- Tabs to Front
An option in Firefox.
- Go Back With Backspace
Firefox didn't disable the Backspace key for backware navigation.

Those are the only ones that I installed for features in Firefox that I
wanted in Google Chrome. Although I haven't trialed it, seems Vivaldi
(another Chromium variant) has lots of user-configurable options and
lets you adjust its chrome how you want. However, I still consider
Vivaldi web browser a beta product despite the author said it is
released.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vivaldi+web+browser
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long
enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a
large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and
restore: you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation
when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or
between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar,
_with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it
with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I
have blue title bars.)
Sounds more like a painting bug, like the hover-on-tab string is
momentarily appearing. Maybe it takes a slower computer than I have
although mine is pretty old (circa 2009, Intel Core 2 quad, Acer mobo).
I cannot reproduce what you describe. Maybe some add-on is slowing the
close of the window.

http://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com/

That wraps to 2 lines when I hover the mouse over the tab. Maximize and
Minimize do not let me see a "ghost" title bar. However, it's a tough
case to reproduce. Rarely do I see a ghost of the titlebar when
changing window size for Firefox. I've yet to see it for Google Chrome.
I can see what you describe in Firefox; however, Firefox has the option
to show a title bar. No such option in Google Chrome.

Many windows call system APIs for standard windows controls. Google
Chrome uses its own custom code and does not use any standard Windows
GUI controls. I suspect Google is trying to keep the feature set the
same across all OS platforms. Other web browser adds features that are
Windows specific but then those features are missing when the web
browser has to run under a different OS that doesn't have the same
windowing controls. You'll need to find a different Chromium variant
with all the features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is
not something you will tolerate).
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmaml
biijnphhppkpkmkl
Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a
learning curve than for other tab managers.
Toby
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toby-for-chrome/hddnkoipeenegf
oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip
Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner.
Tabli
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabli/igeehkedfibbnhbfponhjjpl
pkeomghi
Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles.
Might be what you're looking for.
No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the
title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to
ask?
You seem to have focused only on my last suggestion. They weren't
listed in any particular order, especially because they behave
differently. Why won't Tabs Outliner give you want you want, and more?

Tabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there as
you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the following
Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to display the
tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner. Hell, that means Tabs Outliner gives
you not only a permanent title listing of the selected tab but for ALL
your tabs. Tabs Outliner is not momentary. You want a title bar that
is permanent but only for the selected tab. Tabs Outliner is a titlebar
on mega steroids that shows you the current tab's title and the title
for all the other tabs, too.



It's up to you to find an extension, if available, that gives the
feature you want that Google does not include in their cross-platform
web browser. Or look at other Chromium variants. They're different
because they offer different features.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title
shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs,
likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a
new window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out
of the current window). In the same way you group related
subfolders based on
Again, I shall operate my computer as I wish - if I wish to open lots
of tabs in one window, I shall do so.
And developers will code how they wish. Instead of using a native
workaround, you choose to be lazy. Okay, but then you already realize
you're piling everything into the stew instead of eating steak and
potatos separately. C'est la vie.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
My programme shortcuts are divided into subsections (e. g. disc,
optical, genealogy, images, internet, sound & video, registry,
hardware, ...). My bookmarks in Firefox are sorted three deep. The
files on my D drive are well sorted. But if you would allow 20 tabs
in a Chrome window, you aren't seeing usable titles.
Because tabs don't wrap to another line (something TabMix Plus added to
Firefox but got killed in the Quantum release). So you need to supplant
the changing tab size with something that gives you a text list showing
longer strings hence the need for an extension to add what you want in
the web browser that isn't there natively, or see if a different web
browser with a different feature set suits you better (e.g., Vivaldi).

No one here will re-code Chromium for just your title bar requirement.
Google Chrome uses its own windowing code instead of using standard
windowing controls via Windows API calls (so it can be cross-platform).
They chose to minimize the chrome. They chose NOT to add a title bar or
provide an option to add one (they don't want anyone corrupting their
chrome which is a security and malware issue). Use as-is, try some
extensions, or try a different web browser. There are lots of choices.
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No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse ...
How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly
at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the
space ("screen real estate" as they say in America).
How arrogant of YOU that you think their software becomes your property
just because you use it on your computer. Yes, it's your hardware.
That doesn't change that it is THEIR software.
Good point.
Post by VanguardLH
Choices are: use a different web browser with the features you demand or
install extensions to add features that you demand.
I would if I could find one. The only one I've found so far that
actually does anything is Show Title Tag, which shows it in the bottom
right corner (and is fragile, i. e. easily closed by accident requiring
tortuous effort to get it back).

Oh, I've just discovered that another one I'd tried that I thought
wasn't working _is_ doing something - "Easy! Show Title Plus". But it
pops up a semi-transparent sub-window over the top left of the actual
page.
Post by VanguardLH
I bet you think you own the land on which sits your house. Once the
mortage is paid, yes, you own the house. You never own the land. Just
stop making your property tax and eventually the gov't will seize
everything: the land and everything on it (although you could move the
house which is your property).
(We call it council tax here, but I think the principle is similar.) As
it happens I don't own the land anyway: I live in a park home (which I
think you might call a trailer and even in UK most people call a mobile
home, though it's anything but - it's more like a square bungalow, and
connected to mains electric, water, gas, and drainage); I own the home
but not the land, for which I pay rent (as well as my council tax).
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Oops, I was confusing with a feature in Firefox.
OK, easily done.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab
management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google
Except I don't want to see all their titles, just the one of the tab I
have open. Which I can in Firefox (the version I use anyway) - in the
title bar. I've just checked - the same applies to the IE (11) I have on
here, though I never use that. So it's only Chrome (out of those three,
anyway) that's different.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond
what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of
extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't
I wouldn't consider using something which is a default Windows feature
an "extra feature", but I accept we're not going to agree on that (-:.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox
(and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ...
Extensions are even more ubiquitous with Google Chrome. Features in
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Those are the only ones that I installed for features in Firefox that I
wanted in Google Chrome. Although I haven't trialed it, seems Vivaldi
I haven't installed much in Chrome, as I consider it very much my
secondary browser, just to be used for pages that won't load properly in
my old Firefox. (Which I stick to because Firefox itself keeps, OK
adding new things, but making more difficult to access - and eventually
removing, or at least removing control of - things I am used to having
access to.)
Post by VanguardLH
(another Chromium variant) has lots of user-configurable options and
lets you adjust its chrome how you want. However, I still consider
Vivaldi web browser a beta product despite the author said it is
released.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vivaldi+web+browser
Thanks, but if _you_ consider it a work-in-progress, I probably would
too. (And I bet it doesn't show the title bar!)
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long
enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a
large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and
restore: you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation
when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or
between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar,
_with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it
with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I
have blue title bars.)
Sounds more like a painting bug, like the hover-on-tab string is
momentarily appearing. Maybe it takes a slower computer than I have
No, it's a real title bar, just like the ones on all my other Windows
(blue for me, as I have a classic non-aero theme).
Post by VanguardLH
although mine is pretty old (circa 2009, Intel Core 2 quad, Acer mobo).
I cannot reproduce what you describe. Maybe some add-on is slowing the
close of the window.
This is a four apparent (I think two real) core laptop, so maybe a
little faster than yours, but I still see it. I tried to do a screen
grab, but couldn't - I think it's more that the
maximise/minimise/restore animation locks out the PrtSc key rather than
me not being able to press it in time.

You might be right about an extension slowing it, though - I have 8,
though wouldn't have _thought_ any of them would affect
minimise/maximise time (I'd have thought that was part of Windows), but
that could be it. (Or it could be the theme. Yes, I've just tried
changing to the default Aero theme: indeed, under that, I can't see an
_obvious_ title bar appearing during minimise/restore [though it might
still be doing so but being semi-transparent is harder to see].)
Post by VanguardLH
http://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com/
That wraps to 2 lines when I hover the mouse over the tab. Maximize and
(Doesn't for me, but that may be due to the font size I have set for
tooltips [8] or screen width [1366 to match the hardware].) I thought
you'd made that up - I wasn't expecting it to be a real website! (Out of
curiosity, I tried it in Firefox and IE: they show it in their title
bar, but truncated [... in Firefox, - in IE].)
Post by VanguardLH
Minimize do not let me see a "ghost" title bar. However, it's a tough
case to reproduce. Rarely do I see a ghost of the titlebar when
changing window size for Firefox. I've yet to see it for Google Chrome.
I can see what you describe in Firefox; however, Firefox has the option
to show a title bar. No such option in Google Chrome.
Many windows call system APIs for standard windows controls. Google
Chrome uses its own custom code and does not use any standard Windows
GUI controls. I suspect Google is trying to keep the feature set the
same across all OS platforms. Other web browser adds features that are
And I understand that desire. Although I think Mac, for example, has
title bars; not sure about Linux by default, and I suspect they probably
try to minimise such things on 'phones. I'd have thought they'd let the
standard Windows bar appear, with their custom UI inside that, but I
understand them not having; I'd just have thought they might leave an
_option_ to have it back though.
Post by VanguardLH
Windows specific but then those features are missing when the web
browser has to run under a different OS that doesn't have the same
windowing controls. You'll need to find a different Chromium variant
with all the features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is
not something you will tolerate).
I'd tolerate - by this stage, even welcome - one that gave me the
standard Windows title bar back. (Googling shows that [a] I am far from
alone in wanting this, [b] there doesn't _seem_ to be one. But I grant I
could easily not have found it if there is.)
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmaml
biijnphhppkpkmkl
Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a
learning curve than for other tab managers.
Toby
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toby-for-chrome/hddnkoipeenegf
oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip
Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner.
Tabli
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabli/igeehkedfibbnhbfponhjjpl
pkeomghi
Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles.
Might be what you're looking for.
No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the
title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to
ask?
You seem to have focused only on my last suggestion. They weren't
listed in any particular order, especially because they behave
differently. Why won't Tabs Outliner give you want you want, and more?
I did look at all the descriptions you gave, but they looked as if
they'd give me _too much_ - I just want to see the title of the page I'm
currently viewing, (a) without having to press a button to get at it,
(b) _without_ seeing the titles of _all_ the tabs I have open.
Post by VanguardLH
Tabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there as
you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the following
Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to display the
tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner. Hell, that means Tabs Outliner gives
you not only a permanent title listing of the selected tab but for ALL
your tabs. Tabs Outliner is not momentary. You want a title bar that
is permanent but only for the selected tab. Tabs Outliner is a titlebar
on mega steroids that shows you the current tab's title and the title
for all the other tabs, too.
http://youtu.be/OqjcrfKjobY
I've now viewed the video (well, the first two minutes anyway), though
from your description of "its own window" I'd expected what I saw. It is
as you say a title bar on mega steroids - but I don't want another
(quite large!) window opening that shows the title of every tab I have
open, I just want to see the title of the one I'm looking at! I'd say
"is that too much to ask", but clearly it is.
Post by VanguardLH
It's up to you to find an extension, if available, that gives the
feature you want that Google does not include in their cross-platform
web browser. Or look at other Chromium variants. They're different
because they offer different features.
I'll just live with it; that "Easy! Show Title Plus" will do, or indeed
just the hover over the tab thing. I've had a _reasonable_ look for
extensions that do what I want (and not really found any); I don't want
to go looking for other browsers/variants - I want to actually use the
computer for actually doing things more these days, less for playing
with it as much as I used to like doing. I just thought I'd ask in case
anyone _did_ know of an easy way (extension if I must, ideally setting)
that did what I want, but it seems not. (Though as I said I'm far from
alone in wanting it - or thinking it's not a big ask! -, it seems.)
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And developers will code how they wish. Instead of using a native
workaround, you choose to be lazy. Okay, but then you already realize
you're piling everything into the stew instead of eating steak and
potatos separately. C'est la vie.
_You_ said you'd let up to 20 tabs accumulate before opening another
Chrome window, so you are eating stew too (-:.
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Because tabs don't wrap to another line (something TabMix Plus added to
Firefox but got killed in the Quantum release). So you need to supplant
the changing tab size with something that gives you a text list showing
longer strings hence the need for an extension to add what you want in
the web browser that isn't there natively, or see if a different web
browser with a different feature set suits you better (e.g., Vivaldi).
No, I don't want a list; I only want to see one! Like the main window: I
don't want to have visible, thumbnails of all the pages I have tabs open
for: when I select a different tab, I see the web page under it, and
lose sight of the web page under the tab I previously had selected. I
Post by VanguardLH
No one here will re-code Chromium for just your title bar requirement.
Google Chrome uses its own windowing code instead of using standard
windowing controls via Windows API calls (so it can be cross-platform).
They chose to minimize the chrome. They chose NOT to add a title bar or
provide an option to add one (they don't want anyone corrupting their
chrome which is a security and malware issue). Use as-is, try some
extensions, or try a different web browser. There are lots of choices.
Well, I see it as they chose to _remove_ a standard Windows feature,
(that nearly all the other software I use has, though some don't make
much use of it), rather than choosing _not to add_ it. I accept that
these are different interpretations, probably both valid. _If_ there's
an extension that gives me it back, I'll gladly install it!
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Just because you're old it doesn't mean you go beige. Quite the reverse.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vivaldi+web+browser
Thanks, but if _you_ consider it a work-in-progress, I probably would
too. (And I bet it doesn't show the title bar!)
Actually some users familiar with other web browsers complained that the
display of the title bar in Vivaldi was a waste of space. Example:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/7105/hide-title-bar

Looks like Vivaldi has a title bar but they default to turned off so
there is less chrome and more space for the document. I have yet to
trial Vivaldi but suspect I'll like it as long as it isn't too glitzy.
I like features but don't really care about eye candy. When I get the
time and inclination, I'll play with Vivaldi to see what it's like.
Just because I choose not to play with it now doesn't mean you also
shouldn't. You're not going to get what you want in Google Chrome (even
with extensions).
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Post by VanguardLH
You'll need to find a different Chromium variant with all the
features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is not
something you will tolerate).
I'd tolerate - by this stage, even welcome - one that gave me the
standard Windows title bar back.
Looks like Vivaldi has a title bar (that you can enable). Opera has
one, too (but it's in a different skin or theme). Both are Chromium
variants (if what you want as a secondary web browser is one that uses a
different rendering engine than for your primary web browser).
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by VanguardLH
Tabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there
as you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the
following Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to
display the tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner....
http://youtu.be/OqjcrfKjobY
I've now viewed the video (well, the first two minutes anyway), though
from your description of "its own window" I'd expected what I saw. It is
as you say a title bar on mega steroids - but I don't want another
(quite large!) window opening that shows the title of every tab I have
open, I just want to see the title of the one I'm looking at! I'd say
"is that too much to ask", but clearly it is.
This porridge is too hot.
This porridge is too cold.
This porridge is just right.

Too much. Too little. Looking for just right but it's not there. Time
to visit a different cottage.

If Google Chrome had exactly the same feature set as Firefox then there
would be no Google Chrome because there would be no difference. If
Opera had the same feature set as Google Chrome, there would be no
Opera. The same for Vivaldi. It's like car shopping: lots of choices
because consumers want differences.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Well, I see it as they chose to _remove_ a standard Windows feature,
Titlebars are not standard. The developer decides what elements to
include in the chrome of their app's window. And that isn't just for
web browsers. Plus the titlebar is often merely to reflect the program
owning the window. If their are tabs, it would requires the developer
to change the titlebar's string each time a different tab got focus.
I've seen programs that tabbed but nothing changes in the titlebar: it's
just the name of the program.

The titlebar is a standard window element but that doesn't mean it must
be added to the chrome of an app's window or, if left by default, that
it have an attibute of visible. I don't know if *NIX or other OSes, by
default, have the same set of standard window elements as windows. When
coding for cross-platform, multiple code branches can be used to
separate a product's code across different OSes but that's a hassle to
keep synchronized.

Sorry, but when not using the standard windowing API to create window
objects, I can't see that they removed anything. Instead, and because
they use their own windowing code, they choose not to *add* a feature.
Google is *very* slow at improving the feature set of Chrome. Users
have clamored for a decade about the lack of a "New tab to front" user
configurable option. Still hasn't happened.

There is the Chromium project (started after Google released the
open-sourced part of their web browser). And there is Google Chrome.
Google adds their own proprietary closed-source code to Chromium to make
their Chrome product. It's really back to the Chromium developers why
they don't add a tabs-to-front or titlebar option, and Google hasn't
decided to stomp on how Chromium defines the chrome for that web
browser. I remember seeing (but cannot find it now) where the Chromium
Project defined the standards for what window elements would be in their
product. When I checked, there was nothing there about a titlebar.

https://www.howtogeek.com/202825/what%E2%80%99s-the-difference-between-chromium-and-chrome/

You could compile the open-source Chromium code to add code for a
titlebar. That's how all the variants showed up: they wanted a
different feature set than what Chromium offers. They wanted to
differentiate themselves from the base product. Not everyone wants to
drive the same car.
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This porridge is too hot.
This porridge is too cold.
This porridge is just right.
Too much. Too little. Looking for just right but it's not there. Time
to visit a different cottage.
Nice analogy.
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You could compile the open-source Chromium code to add code for a
titlebar. That's how all the variants showed up: they wanted a
different feature set than what Chromium offers. They wanted to
differentiate themselves from the base product. Not everyone wants to
drive the same car.
And not everyone wants to build a car either (-:.
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knowing if we are all the way there. - Scott Adams, 2015-3-20
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In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window.
In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167
(Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title
bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's
title.
Is there a setting to make it visible?
I don't think so. Can't find any flags or command line switches for it.

In Windows platform, its window's style actually already has a titlebar, but
the application custom-draw it to show its application skin which has no
visible window title.

IIRC, on early build of Opera Blink, it still has the native window titlebar
which also has the application icon on the far left side, and the
minimize+maximize+clone system buttons. So, I think whether to show the
native window titlebar or not, is hardcoded in the source code.
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