Post by Char Jackson Post by VanguardLH
Just because you think a group of tall fat blacks staring
at you as you and they approach each other is not a sufficient excuse to
whip out a handgun and start firing at them. You getting scared is not
an excuse to kill.
I get your example, but be aware that at least 24 states have adopted
Stand Your Ground laws which essentially say that you can use deadly
force if you feel threatened. It used to be that those laws only applied
on your own premises, (home, office, etc.), but they've been expanded to
apply anywhere in public that you're legally allowed to be.
Just last week, a guy in Florida shoved another guy to the ground for
supposedly verbally confronting his wife because she improperly parked
in a handicapped spot. The guy on the ground whipped out a gun, shooting
and killing the guy who shoved him. He died in front of his wife and 5
year old child, according to news reports. The local DA has issued a
statement saying that charges will not be filed because the guy who got
shoved to the ground was acting out of fear for his life.
The whole thing was caught on video. To me, it looks like cold blooded
murder, but apparently they see it differently in that part of Florida.
What were you saying about, "You getting scared is not an excuse to
Did I say you are not allowed to defend yourself when physically
attacked? Getting pushed to the ground is a hell of lot different than
seeing some big guys walking down the sidewalk that you think look mean.
Did the shooter start firing because the girlfriend was yelling at him?
Nope, it took a physical attack from the boyfriend before he protected
McGlockton walks out of a store to go push Drekja to the ground.
Seconds after reeling from the physical attack, Drekja pulls out a gun
to shoot McGlockton. For whining at a girl, some asshole comes up on
your side to hurl you to the ground. Where's the connection the victim
would have between the girl and some guy (who turns out to be her
physically abusive boyfriend)? Looks like Drekja got blindsided.
I think McGlockton is one of those boys who have to always prove he's a
man to his girlfriend by getting into fights. Had that happen in an ice
cream store when a gal walked to counter to cut in front of everyone
else and started ordering. The counter clerk said she would have to
wait her turn. She started yelling and left. Came my turn to get to
the front of the line. A really huge guy come storming in and starts
cussing out the clerk. When he went to push me out of the way, I
clasped his hand against my chest and fell to my knees while bending
forward to break 3 of his 4 fingers (thumbs aren't used in pushing).
While knelt, I punched him in his groin. If that hadn't been enough to
disable him, I would've gone a lot further in my counter attack
considering his huge weight advantage.
I don't carry handguns but then I'm not living wherever Drekja lives or
shops. Seems there are parts of the story that the news isn't
revealing. That's so they can sensationalize on the event. Per one
article, '"He had to shoot to defend himself," Pinellas county sheriff
Bob Gualtieri said.' Jacobs (the girlfriend) said her boyfriend was
trying to protect her. From WHAT? Someone complaining that she parked
illegally? Oh yes, we must always physically assault everyone who ever
irritates us, uh huh. McGlockton was not protecting Jacobs. He
assaulted Drekja without due provocation. Drekja was not physically
assualting Jacobs. He was a whiner that protected himself from someone
that actually assaulted him, not because he thought there was some
nebulously interpreted intent to cause harm.
Yes, seems extreme to shoot someone for pushing you down to the ground
and also to be carrying a handgun. Yes, it *is* extreme to assault
someone to the ground for barking at a girlfriend.
Notice that Drekja probably didn't have any time or way to know that the
guy who pushed him down was Jacobs' boyfriend. The asshole just walks
up and blindsides him by pushing Drekja to the ground. Here is some
busybody whining to someone that they parked illegally and out of the
blue some asshole comes over to physcially assault him. At the point
Drekja drew his handgun, McGlockton stayed backed off. However, seeing
this in retrospect doesn't obviate belief of imminent danger which does
allow use of lethal force. This is a case of two extremists but one has
the law on his side.
This incident is far from blasting away at 3 mean-looking dudes walking
at you on a sidewalk on a dark night. Guessing what is their intent
doesn't permit you to shoot them. You could see if the mean dudes just
walk past you, or you could walk around them, or cross the street, or,
in the case of unwanted callers, just hangup on them. There was no
guessing what was McGlockton's intent because it wasn't intent. It was
Would be interested to know if Drekja has a permit to carry. If not,
well, that's something he could get charged with. Florida does ban open
carry except in some situations. You can get a concealed carry permit
The first jerk bitches at (verbally assaults) a girl for where she
parked. A second jerk physically (not verbally) assaults the first
jerk. The second jerk thinks he has the advantage in willingness to be
physically abusive. The first jerk proves more dangerous than the
second jerk by proving a handgun outweighs the second jerk. The first
jerk has the law on his side. To me, the first jerk reacted too fast in
using his handgun to be sure the second jerk was or was not going to
physically assault the first jerk. However, judging others based on
your combat training doesn't obviate the first jerk might've truly
believed there was imminent danger of further attack. This wasn't a
case of misjudging intent. The assault already happened! The first
jerk already experienced a physical attack by the second jerk. For the
common citizen, they're likely not be to able to read people's body
motions (hip, stance, shoulders), eyes, and jawline to know if another
attack is coming or not. Don't expect citizens to be trained in combat.
This was not a case of reacting to guessed intent. This was a case of
reacting to actual physical assault. "Might they do something bad" is
not the issue in your example.