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Okay, how do I find out what it causing the game to thrash?
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pyotr filipivich
2018-03-21 02:45:11 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.

I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.

But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.

I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
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Good Guy
2018-03-21 02:54:11 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
Ya!! Blame Microsoft for everything; You are using its product!! Mother
fucker!!!!!!!!!!
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I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
It's Microsoft's problem for making you a complete idiot. Sue them for
professional negligence for allowing your mum to produce a complete
idiot. Your mum made a mistake to not abort you; Doctors should have
told her that she has a mentally deranged son who will blame Microsoft
when he grows up!!!!!!
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pyotr filipivich
2018-03-21 03:46:07 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
Ya!! Blame Microsoft for everything; You are using its product!! Mother
fucker!!!!!!!!!!
I knew there was a reason I had you in the bit bucket.

Go yell at clouds for a while.
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Wolf K
2018-03-21 12:31:07 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.
But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.
I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
Sounds like not enough RAM, though why an old version would need a lot
of RAM is unclear. Maybe it's commandeering more RAM as you play.
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pyotr filipivich
2018-03-21 14:24:48 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.
But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.
I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
Sounds like not enough RAM, though why an old version would need a lot
of RAM is unclear. Maybe it's commandeering more RAM as you play.
Weird. As in "it ran 'fine' the first four years, why now?"

Which is why I suspect an MS update "fixed" something.
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Daniel60
2018-03-21 12:31:59 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.
But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.
I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
May not help but have you tried defraging your Hard drive recently??
Under System tools,
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pyotr filipivich
2018-03-21 14:24:48 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.
But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.
I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
May not help but have you tried defraging your Hard drive recently??
Under System tools,
Tried, yes. Using Piriform Defraggler - which tells me
a) 17% free space,
B) 7% fragmented
c) as near as I can tell, system and program files are also
"intact" Although MRT-Kb890830.exe "looks" suspicious - 187
fragments 127,310 KB last modified 3/16/2018 location Windows\System32
I'm willing to delete that, but it is a Window's file. (Which in
and of itself proves nothing.)

Anyway, defragging the drive reported a completion time of
"sometime tomorrow, maybe."

Some day, maybe.
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Paul
2018-03-21 16:00:33 UTC
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I am afraid that Microsoft has "fixed" something again.
I'm still playing Civilization 4,(saw no reason to try and play
Civ5 on a dial up line). I installed it to the Windows 7 box ¿4 years
ago? when I switch machines. It had an interesting quirk - random
intervals it would freeze the display, blink and resume. On occasions
I would be able to see the desktop before it resumed - something about
a display driver not responding.
Be that as it may, I could live with that.
But the last couple days, it sounds like the HD is trashing, and
there is some serious 'lag' - e.g., click for next turn, "drive
sounds" and four to five seconds later it acts. This can be a problem
when you're trying to do "go from here to there".
I have tried the reboot option. That clears the problem, if I do
not do anything else before starting the game.
I already had to delete a legacy game because (apparently)
Microsoft fixed something so it died. I really don't want that to
happen again.
Well, this doesn't look encouraging.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/civ-iv-failing-to-work-on-windows-7.447297/

"Now I too am suddenly unable to start up my Civ4 game...

I'm not a total noob... played over a hundred campaigns
of all types/levels."

See, wore the game out.

If your video driver is responsible, it could be the video driver
auto-updated (NVidia and ATI both have updaters they could be using),
there might be a DirectX change on your system. Another possibility
is you installed IE11 and one of the dependencies of that is
installing some DirectX patch (as IE11 uses hardware graphics
acceleration). Somewhere in your updates log, might be
evidence of what happened.

Does the system have enough RAM for this game ?

Paul
pyotr filipivich
2018-03-21 22:00:33 UTC
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Well, this doesn't look encouraging.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/civ-iv-failing-to-work-on-windows-7.447297/
"Now I too am suddenly unable to start up my Civ4 game...
I'm not a total noob... played over a hundred campaigns
of all types/levels."
See, wore the game out.
If your video driver is responsible, it could be the video driver
auto-updated (NVidia and ATI both have updaters they could be using),
Nerts - if they did, they didn't tell me.
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there might be a DirectX change on your system. Another possibility
is you installed IE11
Again "Not if they asked".
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and one of the dependencies of that is
installing some DirectX patch (as IE11 uses hardware graphics
acceleration). Somewhere in your updates log, might be
evidence of what happened.
Loverly.
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Does the system have enough RAM for this game ?
It did. 8 gigs last I look.

Thanks, now I sort of know where to start looking.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to find out if Win7 and WinXp have just
enough differences in file date stamping that the files which were
just copied to the XP box, are now being copied back to the thumbdrive
as "newer". (Batch file using robocopy)
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Paul
2018-03-22 13:55:29 UTC
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to find out if Win7 and WinXp have just
enough differences in file date stamping that the files which were
just copied to the XP box, are now being copied back to the thumbdrive
as "newer". (Batch file using robocopy)
The combination of FAT32 and DST can lead to surprises on date.
A FAT32 file system could contribute to a one hour difference.

Between NTFS file systems, everything should work properly.

Paul
pyotr filipivich
2018-03-23 15:27:15 UTC
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to find out if Win7 and WinXp have just
enough differences in file date stamping that the files which were
just copied to the XP box, are now being copied back to the thumbdrive
as "newer". (Batch file using robocopy)
The combination of FAT32 and DST can lead to surprises on date.
A FAT32 file system could contribute to a one hour difference.
Between NTFS file systems, everything should work properly.
I will check, but this is a case where e.g., Email attachments
going back umpteen years, get updated on the thumb drive, with
whichever have changed since the last time been copied over. (I use
Robocopy for this reason.) Then those files get synced with the ones
on the XP Laptop. I do not run the email, I do not open the email, I
do nothing with the email. In fact, I change one file in the
wordprocessing hierarchy.
Time to go home, start the batch file to sync Laptop to thumb
drive, and it is copying over a huge number of files, including all
those email attachments, as "newer". How can they be "newer" when
these are the exact "same" files which are already on the thumb drive?

And lets not get started on the whole "you can't delete that
folder because it is still open" charade. Rant, rave; rave & rant - I
don't care what the OS does as long as it stops messing with the
interface. And why don't they have any good computer games any more?
Arrgle bargle, grumble.

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