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David E. Ross
2018-07-15 22:11:39 UTC
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Recnetly, Microsoft has been releasing security updates for Windows 7
with "Known issues". I read details about those known issues, and they
appear to create severe new problems almost as bad as the problems they
resolve. Among those updates are:
* KB4284826 released in June
* KB4088875 released in March

I have not seen any updates that correct those "Known issues". Are
there any such updates?
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Maurice Helwig
2018-07-16 07:52:26 UTC
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Post by David E. Ross
Recnetly, Microsoft has been releasing security updates for Windows 7
with "Known issues". I read details about those known issues, and they
appear to create severe new problems almost as bad as the problems they
* KB4284826 released in June
* KB4088875 released in March
I have not seen any updates that correct those "Known issues". Are
there any such updates?
You are correct about the broken updates for win 7.
I have held off updating all but an experimental computer since December
2017.
Go to www.askwoody.com and read the forums there. It is quite
illuminating and disturbing.

These are my month by month notes on all the updates that have been
presented to me since January 2018 --

Take care to back up your data and image your drive before doing any
updates -- there is nothing like having a way out of a difficult situation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WINDOWS 7 UPDATES

All updates done up to end of December 2017

Windows Update turned off --

Image of my desktop done as of end of December 2017

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ALLOW REG KEY

Avast Antivirus installed the following REG KEY to enable January and
February updates to be installed.

Key="HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE"Subkey="SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat"
Value Name="cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc"
Type="REG_DWORD”
Data="0x00000000”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JANUARY UPDATES

KB4056894
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Causes slowing of computer
(My wife's computer took 8 times longer to start with this update)
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restarted --
Pre Haswell cpu's suspected
Does not solve Spectre problem

Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FEBRUARY UPDATES

KB4074598
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restart --
Pre haswell cpu's suspected with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPU
computers as well.
Does not solve Spectre problem

Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MARCH UPDATES

KB4088875
Breaks Fixed IP addresses on a network.
Suddenly withdrawn

KB4088881 offered on 25/3/2018
Info from MS says it breaks Fixed IP addresses on network

KB 4099950 -- offered on 31/3/2018 as an optional update -- Appears to
be a fix for broken network IP addresses caused in KB4088875

Neither of these have been installed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

APRIL UPDATES

KB 4099950 offered on 5/4/2018 as an Important update this time.
Appears to be a fix for the breaking of Fixed IP network addresses but
later than the March KB4099950

KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
12/4/2018

Many fixes including breaking of network fixed IP addresses (so maybe we
do not have to install KB4099950 but it is still offered )

KB 4093118 - Reportedly keeps presenting itself for installation in an
endless loop.

KB4056894 -- January update and KB4074598 -- February update
Have disappeared from "Hidden updates" where I put them.

Neither of these have been installed

18/4/2018
KB 4099950, (the abandoned patch for fixing the NIC/static IP bug in
Win7) was removed and not offered for update again

23/04/2018
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
23/4/2018 -- appears to be a new version of one issued on 12/04/2018 --
who knows.
Repeat install apparently fixed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MAY UPDATES

08/05/2018

KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup removed and replaced by KB 4103718 --
May Quality rollup

KB4103718 --Issues with NIc's -- Again

NIC drivers randomly disappearing. has been reported -- Loss of remote
connections

"Microsoft is aware that some customers have reported that network
drivers are intentionally uninstalled,
then fail to reinstall after applying the May 8, 2018 update. This can
result in the loss of network connectivity.

Microsoft is presently investigating and will provide a status update
when the investigation is complete."
~~~~
25/05/2018 -- This statement has been removed from this KB 4103118 and
appears to have been updated today to remove this note. ??????
~~~~

26/05/2018 -- The following description appeared this morning --

"There is an issue with Windows and a third-party software that is
related to a missing file (oem<number>.inf).
Because of this issue, after you apply this update, the network
interface controller will stop working.

1 To locate the network device, launch devmgmt.msc; it may appear
under Other Devices.
2 To automatically rediscover the NIC and install drivers, select Scan
for Hardware Changes from the Action menu.

a. Alternatively, install the drivers for the network device by
right-clicking the device and choosing Update.
Then choose Search automatically for updated driver software or Browse
my computer for driver software."

SO THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM REMAINS
~~~~
KB 4103718 Not Installed

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JUNE UPDATES

12-06-2018 -- KB4284826 (Monthly Rollup) offered

THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JULY UPDATES

2018-07-11 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) offered this morning.

THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info

2018-07-13 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) REMOVED THIS AFTERNOON

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D***@MadCow.net
2018-07-21 19:43:05 UTC
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Thanks for this. Makes me glad I turned Windows update off in Dec.,
2015.

I now create MR images 3 times a week routinely and before performing
something that may go sideways.

Then I copy the new image to one of three other drives, 2 of them
external USB 1TB drives. These get logged in a notebook for each PC.
This gives me a better feeling than trusting MS to do something right.

DC

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:52:26 +1000, Maurice Helwig
Post by Maurice Helwig
Post by David E. Ross
Recnetly, Microsoft has been releasing security updates for Windows 7
with "Known issues". I read details about those known issues, and they
appear to create severe new problems almost as bad as the problems they
* KB4284826 released in June
* KB4088875 released in March
I have not seen any updates that correct those "Known issues". Are
there any such updates?
You are correct about the broken updates for win 7.
I have held off updating all but an experimental computer since December
2017.
Go to www.askwoody.com and read the forums there. It is quite
illuminating and disturbing.
These are my month by month notes on all the updates that have been
presented to me since January 2018 --
Take care to back up your data and image your drive before doing any
updates -- there is nothing like having a way out of a difficult situation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WINDOWS 7 UPDATES
All updates done up to end of December 2017
Windows Update turned off --
Image of my desktop done as of end of December 2017
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALLOW REG KEY
Avast Antivirus installed the following REG KEY to enable January and
February updates to be installed.
Key="HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE"Subkey="SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat"
Value Name="cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc"
Type="REG_DWORD”
Data="0x00000000”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JANUARY UPDATES
KB4056894
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Causes slowing of computer
(My wife's computer took 8 times longer to start with this update)
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restarted --
Pre Haswell cpu's suspected
Does not solve Spectre problem
Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FEBRUARY UPDATES
KB4074598
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restart --
Pre haswell cpu's suspected with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPU
computers as well.
Does not solve Spectre problem
Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARCH UPDATES
KB4088875
Breaks Fixed IP addresses on a network.
Suddenly withdrawn
KB4088881 offered on 25/3/2018
Info from MS says it breaks Fixed IP addresses on network
KB 4099950 -- offered on 31/3/2018 as an optional update -- Appears to
be a fix for broken network IP addresses caused in KB4088875
Neither of these have been installed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
APRIL UPDATES
KB 4099950 offered on 5/4/2018 as an Important update this time.
Appears to be a fix for the breaking of Fixed IP network addresses but
later than the March KB4099950
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
12/4/2018
Many fixes including breaking of network fixed IP addresses (so maybe we
do not have to install KB4099950 but it is still offered )
KB 4093118 - Reportedly keeps presenting itself for installation in an
endless loop.
KB4056894 -- January update and KB4074598 -- February update
Have disappeared from "Hidden updates" where I put them.
Neither of these have been installed
18/4/2018
KB 4099950, (the abandoned patch for fixing the NIC/static IP bug in
Win7) was removed and not offered for update again
23/04/2018
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
23/4/2018 -- appears to be a new version of one issued on 12/04/2018 --
who knows.
Repeat install apparently fixed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MAY UPDATES
08/05/2018
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup removed and replaced by KB 4103718 --
May Quality rollup
KB4103718 --Issues with NIc's -- Again
NIC drivers randomly disappearing. has been reported -- Loss of remote
connections
"Microsoft is aware that some customers have reported that network
drivers are intentionally uninstalled,
then fail to reinstall after applying the May 8, 2018 update. This can
result in the loss of network connectivity.
Microsoft is presently investigating and will provide a status update
when the investigation is complete."
~~~~
25/05/2018 -- This statement has been removed from this KB 4103118 and
appears to have been updated today to remove this note. ??????
~~~~
26/05/2018 -- The following description appeared this morning --
"There is an issue with Windows and a third-party software that is
related to a missing file (oem<number>.inf).
Because of this issue, after you apply this update, the network
interface controller will stop working.
1 To locate the network device, launch devmgmt.msc; it may appear
under Other Devices.
2 To automatically rediscover the NIC and install drivers, select Scan
for Hardware Changes from the Action menu.
a. Alternatively, install the drivers for the network device by
right-clicking the device and choosing Update.
Then choose Search automatically for updated driver software or Browse
my computer for driver software."
SO THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM REMAINS
~~~~
KB 4103718 Not Installed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JUNE UPDATES
12-06-2018 -- KB4284826 (Monthly Rollup) offered
THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JULY UPDATES
2018-07-11 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) offered this morning.
THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info
2018-07-13 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) REMOVED THIS AFTERNOON
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maurice Helwig
2018-07-21 20:43:22 UTC
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Post by D***@MadCow.net
Thanks for this. Makes me glad I turned Windows update off in Dec.,
2015.
I now create MR images 3 times a week routinely and before performing
something that may go sideways.
Then I copy the new image to one of three other drives, 2 of them
external USB 1TB drives. These get logged in a notebook for each PC.
This gives me a better feeling than trusting MS to do something right.
DC
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:52:26 +1000, Maurice Helwig
Post by Maurice Helwig
Post by David E. Ross
Recnetly, Microsoft has been releasing security updates for Windows 7
with "Known issues". I read details about those known issues, and they
appear to create severe new problems almost as bad as the problems they
* KB4284826 released in June
* KB4088875 released in March
I have not seen any updates that correct those "Known issues". Are
there any such updates?
You are correct about the broken updates for win 7.
I have held off updating all but an experimental computer since December
2017.
Go to www.askwoody.com and read the forums there. It is quite
illuminating and disturbing.
These are my month by month notes on all the updates that have been
presented to me since January 2018 --
Take care to back up your data and image your drive before doing any
updates -- there is nothing like having a way out of a difficult situation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WINDOWS 7 UPDATES
All updates done up to end of December 2017
Windows Update turned off --
Image of my desktop done as of end of December 2017
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALLOW REG KEY
Avast Antivirus installed the following REG KEY to enable January and
February updates to be installed.
Key="HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE"Subkey="SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat"
Value Name="cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc"
Type="REG_DWORD”
Data="0x00000000”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JANUARY UPDATES
KB4056894
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Causes slowing of computer
(My wife's computer took 8 times longer to start with this update)
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restarted --
Pre Haswell cpu's suspected
Does not solve Spectre problem
Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FEBRUARY UPDATES
KB4074598
For Meltdown and Spectre vunerabilities
Some computers will not do a restart but have to be forced restart --
Pre haswell cpu's suspected with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPU
computers as well.
Does not solve Spectre problem
Update Hidden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARCH UPDATES
KB4088875
Breaks Fixed IP addresses on a network.
Suddenly withdrawn
KB4088881 offered on 25/3/2018
Info from MS says it breaks Fixed IP addresses on network
KB 4099950 -- offered on 31/3/2018 as an optional update -- Appears to
be a fix for broken network IP addresses caused in KB4088875
Neither of these have been installed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
APRIL UPDATES
KB 4099950 offered on 5/4/2018 as an Important update this time.
Appears to be a fix for the breaking of Fixed IP network addresses but
later than the March KB4099950
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
12/4/2018
Many fixes including breaking of network fixed IP addresses (so maybe we
do not have to install KB4099950 but it is still offered )
KB 4093118 - Reportedly keeps presenting itself for installation in an
endless loop.
KB4056894 -- January update and KB4074598 -- February update
Have disappeared from "Hidden updates" where I put them.
Neither of these have been installed
18/4/2018
KB 4099950, (the abandoned patch for fixing the NIC/static IP bug in
Win7) was removed and not offered for update again
23/04/2018
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup - offered as an important update on
23/4/2018 -- appears to be a new version of one issued on 12/04/2018 --
who knows.
Repeat install apparently fixed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MAY UPDATES
08/05/2018
KB 4093118 - April Quality rollup removed and replaced by KB 4103718 --
May Quality rollup
KB4103718 --Issues with NIc's -- Again
NIC drivers randomly disappearing. has been reported -- Loss of remote
connections
"Microsoft is aware that some customers have reported that network
drivers are intentionally uninstalled,
then fail to reinstall after applying the May 8, 2018 update. This can
result in the loss of network connectivity.
Microsoft is presently investigating and will provide a status update
when the investigation is complete."
~~~~
25/05/2018 -- This statement has been removed from this KB 4103118 and
appears to have been updated today to remove this note. ??????
~~~~
26/05/2018 -- The following description appeared this morning --
"There is an issue with Windows and a third-party software that is
related to a missing file (oem<number>.inf).
Because of this issue, after you apply this update, the network
interface controller will stop working.
1 To locate the network device, launch devmgmt.msc; it may appear
under Other Devices.
2 To automatically rediscover the NIC and install drivers, select Scan
for Hardware Changes from the Action menu.
a. Alternatively, install the drivers for the network device by
right-clicking the device and choosing Update.
Then choose Search automatically for updated driver software or Browse
my computer for driver software."
SO THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM REMAINS
~~~~
KB 4103718 Not Installed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JUNE UPDATES
12-06-2018 -- KB4284826 (Monthly Rollup) offered
THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JULY UPDATES
2018-07-11 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) offered this morning.
THE NETWORK DRIVER PROBLEM STILL REMAINS according to MS info
2018-07-13 -- KB4338818 (Monthly Rollup) REMOVED THIS AFTERNOON
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes the whole MS update system is a mess at the moment without any sign
of it getting better
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~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maurice Helwig
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